Gay Marriage...i don't get it

[Flex]

With all the political agendas swirling around with teh upcoming pres. election, perhaps you guys can explain something to me.

Gay marraige is being shunned by president Bush, which i comprehend. So much so that he wants to make an ammendment condemming it.

So, why is it illegal for companies/businesses/work places to discriminate on the basis of sexuality, yet the President blatantly discriminates who can get married?

so if you're gay, you CAN'T be discriminated against in the workplace, but CAN be if you wanna get married?

can someone explain this to me?

 

[Luke9583]

He wants the church to back him in the election.

The Catholic church is the richest organization in the world, and he is a republican.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Funny how Bush wants to amend the constitution, but Cheney does not support an amendment. That Bush/Cheney ticket has all their bases covered!

 

[Stickboy]

Bush isn't Catholic, but yes, he want's their support (as does Kerry).

He'll probably get it, too. Many Catholics simply will not vote for Kerry because he doesn't vote in conformity of the Churches teachings.

 

[Arnold]

I admit I do not agree with gay marriage, I feel that it demeans the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman, but the president should not be deciding whether it's right or wrong, the American people should.

 

[nikegurl]

...and in my opinion it doesn't belong in the freaking Constitution.

 

[Stickboy]

Well, some states have. I forget which state put it to a vote, but something like 75% voted to not allow it. I have a feeling a similar thing would happen across the country.

 

[ALBOB]

I don't mind agreeing with Nikegurl, but when I have to agree with Prince it just pisses me off.

Needless to say, I'm PISSED!

As much of a GWB supporter as I am I still have to say he's off base on this one. This issue should not be at the Executive level. And it DAMN sure shouldn't be an amendment to the Constitution.


























Let's just shoot the freakin' faggots.

 

[PreMier]

Why shoot them? I could care less about homo's.. more women for me haha

 

[Stickboy]

Ah, here's an article on it, may not have to become a constitutional admentment, since states are putting it to vote.

Missouri voters ban gay marriage
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) ??? Missouri voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional amendment Tuesday to ban gay marriage, the first such vote since the historic ruling in Massachusetts last year that legalized same-sex weddings there.
Although the ban was widely expected to pass in conservative Missouri, experts said the campaign served as a key barometer for which strategies work as the gay marriage battle spreads to ballot boxes around the nation. At least nine other states, and perhaps as many as 12, will vote on similar amendments this year.

The amendment had garnered 70% of the vote with 91% of precincts reporting.

 

[maniclion]

Bush is just honoring his Majesty Moon's wishes that "dung eating dogs" aka. queers, fags, limp-wrists, dikes etc. be denied the right to marriage which is a christian right only.

 

[Pepper]

Marriage..one man, one woman...period. if it takes an ammendment to guarantee that, so be it.

If you don't ammend the consitituion the PC folks will attack every state house and many, many of them will cave. The next thing you know, I will have to pay for health insurance for a homosexual employee to cover his "wife." Ain't happening.

 

[Pepper]

Funny how Bush wants to amend the constitution, but Cheney does not support an amendment. That Bush/Cheney ticket has all their bases covered!

So, you are expecting them to agree on everything?

As I recall Bush I had serious problems with Reagan's tax plan and they got along just fine.

If you show me two people who agree on every issue, one of them must be John Kerry.

 

[Arnold]

Marriage..one man, one woman...period. if it takes an ammendment to guarantee that, so be it.

you're entitled to your opinion, but as I said this should be decided by the people, not the president.

 

[ALBOB]

the right to marriage which is a christian right only.

Well, since Christians were the ones who INVENTED the institution of marriage, what's the problem?

 

[Pepper]

you're entitled to your opinion, but as I said this should be decided by the people, not the president.

So you think the Pres can just do it?

The process involves representatives from EVERY state and requires a super-majority. That IS the people deciding.

 

[shutupntra1n]

Whether or not you disagree with homosexuality or the uniting of two people of the same sex orientation, it's about time we had a President that was concentrating on issues at hand instead of walking around with his pants down. Republicans are "PRO" whatever costs me as a middle class citizen money. It's about time one of our Presidents was a good God fearing man and has some morality about homosexuality, abortion and war. You may not agree with his decisions but at least he is deciding what he feels is right and not making his decisions on popular demand. Personally I work in a place where many of my clients are away at war. Not to mention my father works for the United States Government. Until a man/woman puts a uniform on and goes overseas they have no right to say what really goes on there. The men and woman of armed forces are involved voluntarily and instead of so many people bashing the war they should be taking all that energy to find a lonely pen pal in Iraq, or send donations to families of lost loved ones or just support in any way possible. Gay marriage is only one of many things Bush has been faced with throughout his term. In light of the fact of the severity of 9-11 I don't think we will ever know how well any other man in Bush's seat would handled those trials. He has more on his plate in his term than most Presidents will or ever have had. Between 9-11, the war, natural disasters in the south, Gay marriages, cleaning up Clinton's left overs, sniper attacks, several major missing person cases, and all the other lime late cases....... He is still holding his head high and he deserves some respect for that.

I would be concerned if he okayed anything the American people wanted such as Gay marriage at the drop of a dime. We tend to be a whatever feels good is okay society. That some scary shit.

 

[Luke9583]

I admit I do not agree with gay marriage, I feel that it demeans the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman, but the president should not be deciding whether it's right or wrong, the American people should.

I somewhat agree, but feel the divorce rate does just as much, if not more, to demean the sanctity of marriage.

 

[Rich46yo]

Bush is against it, as I am, because of personal convictions. Not politics. He's a born again Christian, not a catholic. Anyway I'd bet a majority of catholics are either for it, or don't care one way or another. Almost all Catholic politicians are democrats and are for gay marriage despite the churches teachings, same thing with sucking and ripping babies out of wombs for convenience. Show me a catholic democrat politician and I'll show you a politician thats going to hell.

The financial costs of legal gay marriage would be enormous. Imagine hundreds of thousands of them rushing to get married for the convenience of getting one partner under an insurance plan, a pension payout, other benefits. Imagine the scams resulting from such actions. Next they will want to adopt kids.

I'm way against this marriage thing.I believe it to be a perversion of a sacred institution and further evidence of a people with declining moral standards. But I also believe it should be up to individual states to vote on. America was always supposed to be a country where states had much of the power. The mushhead state I live in would probably vote for it. So be it, the people speak. Even the mushheads.

I have nothing against gays and I have known an awful lot of them. If anything they are probably more hardworking,educated,decent, and involved in the community then the general population. But gay marriage? Now way!......take care.....................Rich

 

[ALBOB]

Until a man/woman puts a uniform on and goes overseas they have no right to say what really goes on there.

Sorry, even though I wore the uniform for 22 years, I still can't back you up on this one. I, just like every other person in uniform before and after me, served so our country and it's citizens could remain free and make their own choices. One of those choices involves thinking, feeling and VOICING your ideas about different topics. One of those topics is foreign policy. I completely agree that most of the loudest voices haven't got a clue what's really happening over there and have even less of an idea about what they're talking about, but they still have the right to be heard. So, while I completely agree with you on an emotional level, I have no logical way of agreeing.

 

[ALBOB]

Next they will want to adopt kids.

And then after that WOMEN WILL WANT TO VOTE!!!

Sorry Rich, I just couldn't resist the joke.

P.S. I think the adoption thing came BEFORE the marriage thing. re: Rosie O'Donnell.

 

[shutupntra1n]

Sorry, even though I wore the uniform for 22 years, I still can't back you up on this one. I, just like every other person in uniform before and after me, served so our country and it's citizens could remain free and make their own choices. One of those choices involves thinking, feeling and VOICING your ideas about different topics. One of those topics is foreign policy. I completely agree that most of the loudest voices haven't got a clue what's really happening over there and have even less of an idea about what they're talking about, but they still have the right to be heard. So, while I completely agree with you on an emotional level, I have no logical way of agreeing.

I only know what I see on TV and here from other but my common sense tells me that if we are overseas and my fellow friends that are there tell me there is a just reason why we are there I would be the last person to spend my time boycotting the war. I don't mean that you should not voice your opinion but maybe for once we should stop taking things for face value.

I will say as a christian sometimes things are not what they appear. Naturally things such as war will be disagreed upon between christians and nonchristians which is okay with me b/c god said it would be so. I see things as more of a optimistic perspective. I feel one reason we have gone there is b/c of the amount of good Christian Missionaries that have gone in to spread good words of love through God. After all, no matter what God you pray to at least these missionaries are teaching good things for a change to people who know nothing short of evil.

 

[ALBOB]

common sense tells me

Ah, ah, ah...........no fair using your brain. You might piss off the liberals.

 

[maniclion]

I've been to a gay "marriage" they said their vows and kissed that was spiritual.

The issue here is should they be recognized as partners for legal reasons, ie finacial reasons, medical insurance, being able to attend a funeral etc.

Most marriages are done by judges nowadays and not a clergy.


If same sex marriage will destroy the sanctity of marriage then divorce should be illegal as well, does it not make the pure holiness null and void?

 

[LAM]

So much for the seperation of Church and State...lol

 

[maniclion]

America is one nation under God with Justice and Liberty for ALL (unless you have conflicting religious views)

 

[kbm8795]

Bush isn't Catholic, but yes, he want's their support (as does Kerry).

He'll probably get it, too. Many Catholics simply will not vote for Kerry because he doesn't vote in conformity of the Churches teachings.

On the contrary, the overwhelming majority of Catholics have questioned the selective importance of only certain teachings, and the church's leadership in the coverup of their own sexual abuse scandals haven't helped their credibility among parishoners, either. Others don't like the idea of the Pope dictating policy for a sovereign nation, a concept one would expect conservatives to certainly appreciate.

Since Republicans are strongly in favor of the death penalty, for instance, which is completely against the teachings of the Catholic Church, your reasoning would indicate most Catholics would have to write the Pope's name in on the ballot to satisfy the Churches teachings and steer very clear of Republican candidates, as well.

 

[kbm8795]

Well, since Christians were the ones who INVENTED the institution of marriage, what's the problem?

Actually, I believe anthropologists have long reported pagan marriage rituals taking place long before the advent of christianity. And that really doesn't matter, since not all christians believe gay Americans should be forbidden to marry.

 

[maniclion]

Well, since Christians were the ones who INVENTED the institution of marriage, what's the problem?

Actually Marriage is covered in Genesis well before Jesus shows up. The Old Testament is influential to Jews, Christians and Muslims.

 

[kbm8795]

Well, some states have. I forget which state put it to a vote, but something like 75% voted to not allow it. I have a feeling a similar thing would happen across the country.

It depends on the wording of those amendments. Missouri's proposal was very simply worded, however I still don't believe it was a good idea. Even some right wing religious believers think that defining marriage in a state constitution could provide legal challenges to existing statutes preventing incestual marriages, for example.

Moreover, state marriage laws are not supposed to reflect one segment's religious beliefs. That's why some states allow marriages between cousins, have different age requirements, etc. What the state provides are benefits and special privileges to people being allowed to marry. Passing constitutional amendments not only restricts those who cannot marry from ever securing certain basic human rights without State interference, but also raises the State's interest in regulating private lives. While the right wing loves laws that poke government's head inside private bedrooms, those same amendments can end up biting the rest of the population much harder.