GMO, D-Latsky, Victor, Chino & others

[jbt0214]

34/BF steady @ 12%, with help of wife and others diet is dialed in, lifting since age 13, 3 day split of upper and lower, with upper split into front and back, 2 Deca only cycles in college ( I know, no need for comment, it worked, what can I say), 1 Sust 300 cycle last summer, didn't PCT, lost about 1/2 ( again, I get it, not the way to go.)




Haven't begun,gear en route. Not starting until June. Wanted to try a 2 component cycle.

Weeks 1-10: 200mgs Test C on Mon & Thurs
125mgs Deca on Mon & Thurs
12-16: Clomid 100/75/50/50 ED.
Should Adex or Aroma be run during cycle. Anything else to add??

Also using 10-15 grams of Creatine daily
Pre-workout supps cycled between Jack'd, SuperPump & Dymatize Xpand.

 

[jbt0214]

34/BF steady @ 12%, with help of wife and others diet is dialed in, lifting since age 13, 3 day split of upper and lower, with upper split into front and back, 2 Deca only cycles in college ( I know, no need for comment, it worked, what can I say), 1 Sust 300 cycle last summer, didn't PCT, lost about 1/2 ( again, I get it, not the way to go.)




Haven't begun,gear en route. Not starting until June. Wanted to try a 2 component cycle.

Weeks 1-10: 200mgs Test C on Mon & Thurs
125mgs Deca on Mon & Thurs
12-16: Clomid 100/75/50/50 ED.
Should Adex or Aroma be run during cycle. Anything else to add??

Also using 10-15 grams of Creatine daily
Pre-workout supps cycled between Jack'd, SuperPump & Dymatize Xpand.

I named you guys because you seem to give solid advice even to some of the dumber questions without the crucifying I have seen from others.

 

[VictorZ06]

With all things taken into account, you have still yet to complete a "proper" cycle. So, I would look at your next cycle as if it was your first. Run your basic bread and butter cycle, but do it properly. I'm not sure what your desired goals are, but that is mainly dependent on your diet. I'd run something like this....

Dbol 40mg ED 1-5
Test e/c 500mg EW 1-12 (or to 14-16 if you can)
Adex .5mg EOD 1-17 (if running a 12 week cycle) or use aromasin, one or the other.
HCG 1000iu EW 2-12 (this is an option)

PCT: Clomid alone. Start week 15 and use it for four weeks, 100/100/75/50 (that's if you are running it to week 12)


You can make minor tweaks here and there as I'm sure others will suggest. I just outlined a basic beginners cycle. I only included the dbol in there because of the little AAS experience and lifting experience that you had. I normally suggest test only to those running their first cycles. Good luck.



/V

 

[Himik]

You should definitely have an AI on hand, deca automatizes easily. I also prefer HCG on cycle 500ui e5d. Everything else looks fine.

 

[D-Lats]

I like victors layout. If you want to run deca for the same reason victor said, you do have some experience I'd do 300mg a week ending it atleast two weeks prior to the test. Just mix that in with your test. Other than that it looks good. Test and deca with a dbol kickstart is the most tried and true cycle of all time plain and simple. Let us know what you decide and how things go!

 

[GH Consigliere]

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With all things taken into account, you have still yet to complete a "proper" cycle. So, I would look at your next cycle as if it was your first. Run your basic bread and butter cycle, but do it properly. I'm not sure what your desired goals are, but that is mainly dependent on your diet. I'd run something like this....

Dbol 40mg ED 1-5
Test e/c 500mg EW 1-12 (or to 14-16 if you can)
Adex .5mg EOD 1-17 (if running a 12 week cycle) or use aromasin, one or the other.
HCG 1000iu EW 2-12 (this is an option)

PCT: Clomid alone. Start week 15 and use it for four weeks, 100/100/75/50 (that's if you are running it to week 12)


You can make minor tweaks here and there as I'm sure others will suggest. I just outlined a basic beginners cycle. I only included the dbol in there because of the little AAS experience and lifting experience that you had. I normally suggest test only to those running their first cycles. Good luck.



/V

what victor sounds good bro!! how your cal? are you starting priming ur body?

 

[JCBourne]

3 weeks after last pin? Never heard that with test e/c, not that I don't think your right V, just curious.

 

[D-Lats]

3 weeks after last pin? Never heard that with test e/c, not that I don't think your right V, just curious.

It's acually two weeks cycle finishes on 12. 13-14 off everything 15 start clomid that would give two full weeks for test to clear prior to Pct.

 

[GMO]

Victor's layout looks good to me as well. I would only switch out the Adex for Aromasin at 12.5mg eod. I would also limit the test to 12 weeks. Start the Clomid 2 weeks after your last shot of test.

Save the deca for your next cycle and run at least 300mg/wk...

 

[jbt0214]

And this is exactly why I came to you guys, thank you all and I will make the adjustments accordingly

 

[VictorZ06]

And this is exactly why I came to you guys, thank you all and I will make the adjustments accordingly

Good luck bro, keep us posted.




/V

 

[jbt0214]

You advise dropping the Deca and only running the Test AND/OR running Test and DBOL, I did some reading on SuperDMZ and it looks as if a low dose of Test [(300mg)] is what was quoted) and SuperDMZ would make a very good cycle, what are your thoughts on trying this myself sir?

With all things taken into account, you have still yet to complete a "proper" cycle. So, I would look at your next cycle as if it was your first. Run your basic bread and butter cycle, but do it properly. I'm not sure what your desired goals are, but that is mainly dependent on your diet. I'd run something like this....

Dbol 40mg ED 1-5
Test e/c 500mg EW 1-12 (or to 14-16 if you can)
Adex .5mg EOD 1-17 (if running a 12 week cycle) or use aromasin, one or the other.
HCG 1000iu EW 2-12 (this is an option)

PCT: Clomid alone. Start week 15 and use it for four weeks, 100/100/75/50 (that's if you are running it to week 12)


You can make minor tweaks here and there as I'm sure others will suggest. I just outlined a basic beginners cycle. I only included the dbol in there because of the little AAS experience and lifting experience that you had. I normally suggest test only to those running their first cycles. Good luck.






/V

 

[jbt0214]

When running Deca, how long should it be run at a dosage of 300mg/wk?

Victor's layout looks good to me as well. I would only switch out the Adex for Aromasin at 12.5mg eod. I would also limit the test to 12 weeks. Start the Clomid 2 weeks after your last shot of test.

Save the deca for your next cycle and run at least 300mg/wk...

 

[D-Lats]

I would say 10 weeks and run your test atleast 2 weeks longer to prevent sides.

 

[VictorZ06]

You advise dropping the Deca and only running the Test AND/OR running Test and DBOL, I did some reading on SuperDMZ and it looks as if a low dose of Test [(300mg)] is what was quoted) and SuperDMZ would make a very good cycle, what are your thoughts on trying this myself sir?

I have no experience using SuperDMZ so I really can't tell ya from a personal prospective. Test with a dbol kicker works wonders though.




/V

 

[jbt0214]

Any benefit to a Winstrol front load for the first 4 weeks, I have some coming for the wife, depending on recommended dosage, I could probably get some from her stash since she will be breaking them in half. Thoughts??

With all things taken into account, you have still yet to complete a "proper" cycle. So, I would look at your next cycle as if it was your first. Run your basic bread and butter cycle, but do it properly. I'm not sure what your desired goals are, but that is mainly dependent on your diet. I'd run something like this....

Dbol 40mg ED 1-5
Test e/c 500mg EW 1-12 (or to 14-16 if you can)
Adex .5mg EOD 1-17 (if running a 12 week cycle) or use aromasin, one or the other.
HCG 1000iu EW 2-12 (this is an option)

PCT: Clomid alone. Start week 15 and use it for four weeks, 100/100/75/50 (that's if you are running it to week 12)


You can make minor tweaks here and there as I'm sure others will suggest. I just outlined a basic beginners cycle. I only included the dbol in there because of the little AAS experience and lifting experience that you had. I normally suggest test only to those running their first cycles. Good luck.



/V

 

[VictorZ06]

Any benefit to a Winstrol front load for the first 4 weeks, I have some coming for the wife, depending on recommended dosage, I could probably get some from her stash since she will be breaking them in half. Thoughts??

If anything, I would take it at the tail end of the cycle to help solidify gains. Winny dries me out to a point where my joints can't support heavy weights. Go with var or tbol if you want to use an oral at the end. IMHO.



/V

 

[BigBird]

Winny during 2nd half can work wonders but the joint issues are a risk. That is, you'll feel super strong but the joint discomfort/pain will prevent you from going heavy on certain movements. On the winny, I have trouble going heavy on biceps and certain back movements that require pulling and bending at elbow. Bicep curls, pull-ups and upright barbell rows (for shoulders) are a real bitch when on Winstrol. But in a sick way, I still love winny.

 

[GMO]

When running Deca, how long should it be run at a dosage of 300mg/wk?

Minimum of 10 weeks, but preferably 12 due to its long ester. As Latsky said though, you should run your test at least two weeks longer than the Deca to make recovery easier.

Winstrol is best used at the end as Victor stated. I would use d-bol for a kick start if I were you. It is by far my favorite oral AAS.

 

[Ravager]

Would the Deca's reputation for being so good for your joints combat the negative effects of the Winny???

 

[Ravager]

Would the Deca's reputation for being so good for your joints combat the negative effects of the Winny???

What is a good AI advice for this Deca/TEST cycle, Aromasin 12.5 ED/EOD?

 

[VictorZ06]

What is a good AI advice for this Deca/TEST cycle, Aromasin 12.5 ED/EOD?

That will work fine. ED or EOD depends on the individual.




/V

 

[jbt0214]

what victor sounds good bro!! how your cal? are you starting priming ur body?

Caloric intake at the moment is enough to maintain, maintenance is around 2800, I will cut them again about 2 weeks out (cycle not starting til June at earliest). My reps have been on the high side, 12-15, and sticking to compound movements. Carbs intake is low during week, but not on weekends. When cycle starts, the heaviest carb intake will be on training days consisting mainly of complex carbs.

 

[GH Consigliere]

It's a bulking cycle should be eating about 4000 cal a day it's better to starte eating like that before you start Ur aas! Eat alot meat potato brown rice oat meal fish! Just saying for me its tuff to eat 4500 lol I was light I gain 17 pounds in 3 weeks on my cycle. Oh yea have Ur muilt vit fish oil and 1000 vit c

 

[jbt0214]

It's a bulking cycle should be eating about 4000 cal a day it's better to starte eating like that before you start Ur aas! Eat alot meat potato brown rice oat meal fish! Just saying for me its tuff to eat 4500 lol I was light I gain 17 pounds in 3 weeks on my cycle. Oh yea have Ur muilt vit fish oil and 1000 vit c

Will do, I will make the will begin the uptake of calories and so that I am at 3500 on cycle, that is an additional 500 over my maintenance cals. I appreciate the advice all of you guys have given!

 

[GH Consigliere]

good reading stuff here Priming and Off cycle therapy!!!