homebrew powder

[onefastlady]

How hot can you get the fluid using a millipore steri-cup and still be safe?

Millipore recommends no more than 45C (will feel warm to your hand, but not hot)
Millipore - Stericup® Filter Units

You could possibly get away with somewhat higher temperatures... but maybe it doesn't take much to affect the quality of the membrane (different types of membranes are available... nylon, PFTE, etc...), and if the pore size became enlarged somehow, bacteria would be able to get through. I wouldn't risk it; stay below 45C.

 

[onefastlady]

I agree but again, how do you just add an extra amount of plain oil to the filter and expect it to displace your actual gear and not dilute the final mixture?

If I am trying to get 100% recovery of a dissolved chemical I need to filter, here's how:

1) Make up the solution at a higher concentration than your final goal (i.e., make it at 2x strength).
2) Filter
3) Wash the filter by passing several small volumes of the solvent thorugh the filter (at least enough to completely re-wet the filter), until you have acheived the necessary final volume so that your chemical is now at the desired final concentration.

For the sake of economy, I understand wanting 100% recovery. For the sake of dosing, you may not need to be too picky. Notice how most doses are a nice round number? Maybe you want 100 mg/ml of a certain chemical. Nothing says that 100 is the absolute optimum, it's just a round number someone chose for the easy math. There's no good reason to think that 97 mg/ml or 104.5 mg/ml wouldn't be just as effective.

 

[brundel]

If I am trying to get 100% recovery of a dissolved chemical I need to filter, here's how:

1) Make up the solution at a higher concentration than your final goal (i.e., make it at 2x strength).
2) Filter
3) Wash the filter by passing several small volumes of the solvent thorugh the filter (at least enough to completely re-wet the filter), until you have acheived the necessary final volume so that your chemical is now at the desired final concentration.

For the sake of economy, I understand wanting 100% recovery. For the sake of dosing, you may not need to be too picky. Notice how most doses are a nice round number? Maybe you want 100 mg/ml of a certain chemical. Nothing says that 100 is the absolute optimum, it's just a round number someone chose for the easy math. There's no good reason to think that 97 mg/ml or 104.5 mg/ml wouldn't be just as effective.

Nice to have a lab tech comment
I think for most people step #3 will prove difficult enough to make your final statement a truth. There is no good reason to not accept 97mg or 104mg.
THe % lost in the filter is small enough to dismiss in our case.

 

[UA_Iron]

I count on 10% loss in all the steps required. It's not that big of a deal to me. I just make 10% more than what I wanted.

With many solutions you cannot make them at 2x the concentration and expect them to hold. They'll crash in your filter element. I wouldn't go that route.

 

[Aaron S.]

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Nice to have a lab tech comment
I think for most people step #3 will prove difficult enough to make your final statement a truth. There is no good reason to not accept 97mg or 104mg.
THe % lost in the filter is small enough to dismiss in our case.

I agree, it's a pleasure to have you (one fast lady) here. I was reading all that and was thinking you have to be kidding me. I give a range if someone wants specifics. I can't in good conscious do anything but. I don't care if my gear is 250mg/ml or 245mg/ml. If it should be 250mg in a perfect world then, considering how imperfect a world we live in i knock a few mg's off.
There are too many variables to consider when trying to get exact.

 

[SloppyJ]

I see a bunch of info on brewing but not much on capping.

What is everyone's favorite filler? Plan on making var. Not really wanting to do creatine since I like to save creatine to take in PCT. I want something that I can tamp down really well.

 

[keith1569]

I think protein powder works well. I know Aaron caps so he will chime in I'm sure

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[brundel]

MSM
glutamine

both work very well.

You can get a capping contraption for about $15
You can also get roughly 500 caps for about $8
You can use almost anything for a filler, the finer the filler powder, the easier to use.
BCAA's, Creatine, Glutamine, Protein powder are all good for example.
Say we are working with 24 caps. You want to weigh those caps empty first.
Now fill those caps with filler. Make sure you compress the powder with a card or something.
After you have them full, weigh them and subtract the empty cap weight from the full cap
weight. Lets say that amounts to 10g.
Now lets say we want to make caps that are 25mg. Multiply 25 x 24. (25mgx24caps)
So we have 600mg total active compound. Subtract that from the 10g total full cap weight.
That brings us to 9400mg. Thats the amount of filler we need.
So 600mg active compound, 9400mg filler= 10000mg or 10g
Combine these using a mortar and pestle. Add a few drops of liquid food coloring so that
you can tell the difference between your batches of caps. This helps when you have several
different types. Anavar, Tamoxifen etc. It also helps you to know when your filler and
active compound are fully mixed. Mix well just incase.
Now take your fully mixed powder and dump in all in your tray on one side, use a credit
card to spread it out. the caps will fill easily if the powder is dry but you will be left
with some powder not in the caps. Use the card to compress the powder into the caps and
repeat untill all the powder is in the caps.
Apply the tops and squeeze togeather untill they are tightly capped.

B

 

[brundel]

Use the geometric dilution method to mix your powders.

video

 

[booze]

Booze, I noticed that too. Those recivers really got soft.

Do you have an upper glass filtration unit or just a reciever bottle? I could really go for a glass filtration unit.

all glass setup mate. glass funnel up top, glass frit in the middle and a glass receiver. use membrane discs to filter. i get some leakage with the membrane discs so im looking at a ptfe collar to seal the unit better.

 

[tyzero89]

Ok. So i just made some liquid dbol in 151 and it set my throat on fire!!!

My question is that i had a white residue on my beaker once i poured it into the container...is this normal? Once i rinsed the beaker with water the whole beaker turned a hazy white.

 

[brundel]

Yah its normal.
What it is, is the dbol 151 mixture along the flask. The alcohol evaporates and leaves the crystal dbol behind.
When you hit it with water it hardens.

Yes, the shit burns.
I use a syringe and shoot it into a pool on my tongue then follow it with a big gulp of juice. Its not bad.

 

[bccs]

That white film was most likely your Dbol. What concentration did you make? you probable transferred your solution before all of the Dbol was able to dissolve.

 

[smartlooker_]

how many hours or days must i wait to ensure that the brew is thoroughly sterile? i plan not to bake it

 

[tyzero89]

Yah its normal.
What it is, is the dbol 151 mixture along the flask. The alcohol evaporates and leaves the crystal dbol behind.
When you hit it with water it hardens.

Yes, the shit burns.
I use a syringe and shoot it into a pool on my tongue then follow it with a big gulp of juice. Its not bad.

Ok cool. Ya i gotta chase it with something.

I made it at 50mg/ml. Im pretty sure it was fully dissolved...i had to stir it for a few minutes but there was no particles in the fluid when i transferred it.

 

[Aaron S.]

another one of brundels recipes comes through!

 

[tyzero89]

ya i plan on running it for 6 weeks at 50mg/day but im gonna split up the doses to 25mg in the morning (pre workout) and then another 25mg around 5pm. I just wish i had the funds to get some Test Base and brew me up some TNE to run along side the dbol...would make for a pretty sick 6 weeks.

 

[pieguy]

how many hours or days must i wait to ensure that the brew is thoroughly sterile? i plan not to bake it

Time isn't going to make a difference on whether you made a sterile solution or not. If you followed the correct procedures, kept your hands sterile, kept the syringes sterile, wiped down the vial and used a sterile .22 filter, you're fine. You can always bake the vial @ 200 deg F for a few minutes to insure sterility. The BA in the oil prevents any bacterial growth but the sterilization actually comes from the filter.

On another note, tren acetate is really fkn hard to push thru a .22 filter. 100ml of test prop in sesame took me 2.5 hours and 50ml of tren ace took me 3 hours. Doesn't make sense >_<

 

[brundel]

If the tren ace was from pellets it does make sense. There are still binders and glues present that will clog the filter. This is why syno and homemade tren takes so long to filter.

 

[pieguy]

I got the powder in a raw form actually. This is my dilemma however. When i placed the powder in with BA/BB it was fairly yellowish, like a post-it note yellow almost. I always assumed raw tren ace was pure white. I hope the raw source i bought from didn't extract from fina kits, but if they did, that explains the slow filtering.

The finished product is very clean in GSO however with absolutely no turbidity so I'm not too worried.

 

[Digitalash]

Got a question I've never really seen asked before. Is it possible to make your own blend from raw powder and another type of premade gear? Say I wanted to get test E powder and blend it with deca/eq/tren e etc that could be done right? I assume you'd just have to add the right amount of ba/bb to keep the concentration right and filter it again?

 

[smartlooker_]

Time isn't going to make a difference on whether you made a sterile solution or not. If you followed the correct procedures, kept your hands sterile, kept the syringes sterile, wiped down the vial and used a sterile .22 filter, you're fine. You can always bake the vial @ 200 deg F for a few minutes to insure sterility. The BA in the oil prevents any bacterial growth but the sterilization actually comes from the filter.

On another note, tren acetate is really fkn hard to push thru a .22 filter. 100ml of test prop in sesame took me 2.5 hours and 50ml of tren ace took me 3 hours. Doesn't make sense >_<

thanks much!

im just waiting for the raw powder to come by, it's taking some time and im a bit impatient. lol

last question, i plan to do 300 mg/ml of t cyp, with 2%ba & 20% bb. will this be as painful as sustanon (which i used before)

i saw a painless test cyp recipe at killerbass' site, but it says there "magic solution". perhaps someone here can give a similar painless recipe just by using ba and bb, that would be very helpful.

 

[SloppyJ]

MSM
glutamine

both work very well.

You can get a capping contraption for about $15
You can also get roughly 500 caps for about $8
You can use almost anything for a filler, the finer the filler powder, the easier to use.
BCAA's, Creatine, Glutamine, Protein powder are all good for example.
Say we are working with 24 caps. You want to weigh those caps empty first.
Now fill those caps with filler. Make sure you compress the powder with a card or something.
After you have them full, weigh them and subtract the empty cap weight from the full cap
weight. Lets say that amounts to 10g.
Now lets say we want to make caps that are 25mg. Multiply 25 x 24. (25mgx24caps)
So we have 600mg total active compound. Subtract that from the 10g total full cap weight.
That brings us to 9400mg. Thats the amount of filler we need.
So 600mg active compound, 9400mg filler= 10000mg or 10g
Combine these using a mortar and pestle. Add a few drops of liquid food coloring so that
you can tell the difference between your batches of caps. This helps when you have several
different types. Anavar, Tamoxifen etc. It also helps you to know when your filler and
active compound are fully mixed. Mix well just incase.
Now take your fully mixed powder and dump in all in your tray on one side, use a credit
card to spread it out. the caps will fill easily if the powder is dry but you will be left
with some powder not in the caps. Use the card to compress the powder into the caps and
repeat untill all the powder is in the caps.
Apply the tops and squeeze togeather untill they are tightly capped.

B

Brundel, I disagree with your calculations here. Different things have different densities so you cannot simply take out the amount of hormone you want from the filler calculation. You must take into account the densities of both.

The correct way to do this is to make a batch of caps with all filler, then one with all hormone. Weigh both of these then you then have 3 known quantities (mass of filler per cap, mass of hormone per cap, and desired hormone dosage per cap) and then you solve for x by cross multipling. This gives you how much of the filler that the doseage that you want displaces. It's not going to be 1:1. You then subtract this number (x) from the total amount of filler per cap and you are left with how much filler you need per cap at that given dosage.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[pieguy]

thanks much!

im just waiting for the raw powder to come by, it's taking some time and im a bit impatient. lol

last question, i plan to do 300 mg/ml of t cyp, with 2%ba & 20% bb. will this be as painful as sustanon (which i used before)

i saw a painless test cyp recipe at killerbass' site, but it says there "magic solution". perhaps someone here can give a similar painless recipe just by using ba and bb, that would be very helpful.

Was the sust you used before premade from a lab that used higher BA concentration? I doubt you'd get much pain from 300mg/ml test cyp at 2%/20%, but maybe somebody else with some experience @ that concentration can comment. I definitely know there should be no pain from 250mg/ml test cyp at 2%/20% whether it's injection pain or post injection pain.

 

[UA_Iron]

Why even bother with cypionate? Test E will hold at 300mg/ml with just 2% BA and thats it. Throw in 5-10% BB to make it thinner and to prevent crystallization post injection. Throw in 10% EO to make it even thinner and to make it even less painful.

 

[pieguy]

I think that's kind of beside the point since he probably bought the cypionate already UA. Will it hold at 2/20 with cyp powder instead of test e powder?

 

[brundel]

Brundel, I disagree with your calculations here. Different things have different densities so you cannot simply take out the amount of hormone you want from the filler calculation. You must take into account the densities of both.

The correct way to do this is to make a batch of caps with all filler, then one with all hormone. Weigh both of these then you then have 3 known quantities (mass of filler per cap, mass of hormone per cap, and desired hormone dosage per cap) and then you solve for x by cross multipling. This gives you how much of the filler that the doseage that you want displaces. It's not going to be 1:1. You then subtract this number (x) from the total amount of filler per cap and you are left with how much filler you need per cap at that given dosage.

Hope that makes sense.

It is based upon weight.
so....irregardless of density, 1g weighs 1g.
If its 1g glutamine it still weighs 1g
if its 1g dianabol.....it weighs 1g.

so....400mg of any powder +600mg of any powder=1g

 

[brundel]

Got a question I've never really seen asked before. Is it possible to make your own blend from raw powder and another type of premade gear? Say I wanted to get test E powder and blend it with deca/eq/tren e etc that could be done right? I assume you'd just have to add the right amount of ba/bb to keep the concentration right and filter it again?

You could but alot of times the Premade gear is already made at close to the top end mg/ml.
You could get it to hold an additional hormone if you added more oil and solvent.
THis would lower the concentration of premade hormone though.

 

[Digitalash]

You could but alot of times the Premade gear is already made at close to the top end mg/ml.
You could get it to hold an additional hormone if you added more oil and solvent.
THis would lower the concentration of premade hormone though.

Ok I see what you're saying. Say I took 300mg/ml deca and wanted to make 150mg/ml deca with 250mg/ml test would that hold? Would I just double the solvent/oil to reach half concentration and then add enough test to reach 250mg/ml? I'm assuming I could just look around at the kind of blends that have been made and will hold in solution, then just do the math on solvent/oil to add and it would work

Also I asked this question in the "homebrewing TNE" thread, have you ever heard of making test base into a nasal spray? Is there any benefit in absorption and what kind of solvent would you use that wouldn't hurt like shit

 

[brundel]

I think you would have a hard time getting 150 deca and 250 test cyp to hold.
You would probably want to employ guaiacol and EO for that.
I think if you did this it would be better to make it from scratch and not from other premade AAS.

Im pretty sure we could make a nasal spray but I cant imagine why you would want too.
Im injection
Transdermal
sublingual

Nasal? We could try.