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Mormons face flak for backing Prop. 8

I love the comparison to slavery. It is absolutely nothing alike.

 
Neither was Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad either in my book....anyone who says they are sent by God comes off as a little schizophrenic to me.

Mormonism isn't any weirder than the belief that wine and bread literately transfuse into the blood and body of a man who has been dead for over 2000years...or a man who parted a sea...or the idea that you will be in heaven with 72 virgins.

see where I'm going with this?

I believe that all of the organized religions were made by humans.

While living, we humans are not to know what happens after death, if anything.

We are not meant to know, IMO. Because.....we don't know.

We can only speculate.
 
wow, what a thread.. typical of min0 to start some shit like this :rolleyes:

the fact is, people have their beliefs and they have the right to them. ever since people have been on earth, they have worshiped a higher being. why?

is it a coincidence that so many people believe that there is something greater out there? that something greater put us here for a purpose?

there are also a lot of people that dont believe, or dont know.. and thats fine. but when it comes to the grand scheme of things, its nice to think we will end up in a better place, and be with family.
 
wow, what a thread.. typical of min0 to start some shit like this :rolleyes:

the fact is, people have their beliefs and they have the right to them. ever since people have been on earth, they have worshiped a higher being. why?

is it a coincidence that so many people believe that there is something greater out there? that something greater put us here for a purpose?

there are also a lot of people that dont believe, or dont know.. and thats fine. but when it comes to the grand scheme of things, its nice to think we will end up in a better place, and be with family.

Hence the Sun god and gods. Ra, Isis, Osiris, Greek gods, Roman god, Aztec god, animistic gods and now the 4 major religions of the world with many off-shoots and deonominations, plus a few other minor ones.
 
Neither was Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad either in my book....anyone who says they are sent by God comes off as a little schizophrenic to me.

Mormonism isn't any weirder than the belief that wine and bread literately transfuse into the blood and body of a man who has been dead for over 2000years...or a man who parted a sea...or the idea that you will be in heaven with 72 virgins.

see where I'm going with this?

I agree... I think they are all just as retarded. I'm not just against Mormonism. I think all religion is dumb
 
wow, what a thread.. typical of min0 to start some shit like this :rolleyes:

the fact is, people have their beliefs and they have the right to them. ever since people have been on earth, they have worshiped a higher being. why?
is it a coincidence that so many people believe that there is something greater out there? that something greater put us here for a purpose?

there are also a lot of people that dont believe, or dont know.. and thats fine. but when it comes to the grand scheme of things, its nice to think we will end up in a better place, and be with family.

I think you answered your own question
 
this is why religion is the devil...look how many wars religion has started. As long as there is religion there will be weak people in this world who dont think based upon reason and common sense but rather think based upon what some made up characters told them thousands of years ago. And slavery and anti gay marriage is the same exact thing. I'm a die hard republican if there was one, and dont leave my parties ways for the most part, but gay marriage is one issue that comes that makes me want to spit on those righty holy rollers who use the constitution as a moral front to enforce their religious ways! I dont care if your mormon or catholic or hindu, but by putting your beliefs and personal morals into a real bible such as the constitution, well thats pretty much as low as it gets.

P.S.- Breaking news, gay marriage is contagious!!! (headlines)-"national curfew is now in affect, please keep all your children and family members inside, as the gays are comming out!!! They might poison your children and turn them gay!!!"

Come on now, is this what your really want to see in the newspapers in the next decade, cause thats what this country is coming to, nothing but holy roller bigots legislating our lives!
 
I am not religious.... but you religion haters are just as fucked up.

It has more to do with fucked up low life ignorant people, then the impact relgion has.
 
The real problem isn't the religions themselves, it's the people that use religion as a vessel for their ignorance. Like Built said, marriage is a financial and legal arrangement. Religion and morals should not be taught in school I agree with that, but in addition; religion should also not dictate the stipulations of any legal contract (marriage in this case).
 
A gay couple that you will never meet somewhere in a town you will never go to having the right to be legally married does not qualify as "pushing values" onto you.

However, to legally ban that gay couple from being married pushes your values onto them in the most powerful way.

See, this is where you're full of shit. Do you even know what this whole issue is about? At the very least, the religious people don't want to perform marriages for gays, but the gays want to force them to do it. There's nothing to stop gays from getting married in any organization that'll do it for them. But that's not good enough, they have to force their way on others.

I've made it clear over the years that I'm A-okay with gays, but the current trend of gays (and shit-hole organizations like the ACLU) suing religious institutions who refuse to perform a ceremony for them isn't making any friends.

I'm not all that religious, but that's bull-fucking-shit.
 
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this is why religion is the devil...

LOL. If there is a devil then there is also a God. no doubt religion has been used for negative things in the past. It has also done a lot of good. The very argument of a devil necessitates a God.
 
LOL. If there is a devil then there is also a God. no doubt religion has been used for negative things in the past. It has also done a lot of good. The very argument of a devil necessitates a God.

i used the devil in an adjective way. I call people I dont like the devil...my using the phrase devil in such sentences actually originated after watching certain movies, its comedical and shouldnt be taken in a sense where I'm comparing religion to the devil, that obviously wouldnt make any sense.
 
See, this is where you're full of shit. Do you even know what this whole issue is about? At the very least, the religious people don't want to perform marriages for gays, but the gays want to force them to do it. There's nothing to stop gays from getting married in any organization that'll do it for them. But that's not good enough, they have to force their way on others.

I've made it clear over the years that I'm A-okay with gays, but the current trend of gays (and shit-hole organizations like the ACLU) suing religious institutions who refuse to perform a ceremony for them isn't making any friends.

I'm not all that religious, but that's bull-fucking-shit.

and this might be true, but the problems I am seeing is that a large portion of our politicians whether in the house of reps or just local freeholders all have an agenda to put the illegalization of gay marriage in the constitution. Dont use your public duty job to preach your own likes and dislikes. There needs to be a line drawn as to what our legislators are legislating...there are bigger problems in the country than poor gay people being told they can't get married because its against the "bible" not the law. this is called discrimination.
 
and this might be true, but the problems I am seeing is that a large portion of our politicians whether in the house of reps or just local freeholders all have an agenda to put the illegalization of gay marriage in the constitution. Dont use your public duty job to preach your own likes and dislikes. There needs to be a line drawn as to what our legislators are legislating...there are bigger problems in the country than poor gay people being told they can't get married because its against the "bible" not the law. this is called discrimination.

There's nothing "might" about it.

Again, this bill is about whether gays can marry or not, it's about gays saying that religious institutions must perform the ceremony.

Bullshit.
 
and this might be true, but the problems I am seeing is that a large portion of our politicians whether in the house of reps or just local freeholders all have an agenda to put the illegalization of gay marriage in the constitution. Dont use your public duty job to preach your own likes and dislikes. There needs to be a line drawn as to what our legislators are legislating...there are bigger problems in the country than poor gay people being told they can't get married because its against the "bible" not the law. this is called discrimination.

not when they want a religious institution that doesnt believe in gay marriage to marry them.
 
not when they want a religious institution that doesnt believe in gay marriage to marry them.

I'm sorry, the article thats posted didnt specify about gay sbeing married in their own church or in a town hall, from what I initially read it was a proposition to prevent gays from being married and using the term marriage, I guess I have no argument if what your saying is the case.
 
Gays are not being denied any rights. I, as a man, can marry a woman, and the state will recognize it. A gay man can marry a woman, and the state will recognize it. Same goes for females. No right is being denied here. The entire argument is a scam. "Marry whomever I choose" is garbage. It's no longer marriage if it is man-man, woman-woman. People are sick of gays trying to encroach upon pillars of society.

You can provide power of attorney to, and write your will to favor your gay partner already. No rights are denied. I'm sick of hearing people claim the deviants need to have special laws to cater to their particular desires.
 
Gays are not being denied any rights. I, as a man, can marry a woman, and the state will recognize it. A gay man can marry a woman, and the state will recognize it. Same goes for females. No right is being denied here. The entire argument is a scam. "Marry whomever I choose" is garbage. It's no longer marriage if it is man-man, woman-woman. People are sick of gays trying to encroach upon pillars of society.

You can provide power of attorney to, and write your will to favor your gay partner already. No rights are denied. I'm sick of hearing people claim the deviants need to have special laws to cater to their particular desires.

Let's get blacks back in the cotton fields as well.
 
if what your saying is that gays not being allowed to marry is different from slavery, can you please explain?

meaning i don't think comparing slavery to gay marriage is a valid comparison. this is not ownership of another being here. I find it so completely different that I am having trouble even comprehending how it is looked at as similar.
 
meaning i don't think comparing slavery to gay marriage is a valid comparison. this is not ownership of another being here. I find it so completely different that I am having trouble even comprehending how it is looked at as similar.

There is a difference in comparing the civil rights struggle and equating the two.

My point was more towards brogers calling gay actions deviant, somewhere along the same line as blacks were considered.
 
slavery=depriving african americans their rights as humans to be free
not allowing gay marriage=depriving people based on their sexuality to be free
 
I'm mixed on the topic.

I think that they should be able to suffer just as much as any straight person, but I also think that redefining the basic tenets of society is a Pandora's Box.


The "basic tennents" of society also prevented women from working and voting, and draws upon the civil rights struggle the blacks had against the "basic tennents"
 
The "basic tennents" of society also prevented women from working and voting, and draws upon the civil rights struggle the blacks had against the "basic tennents"

excellent point.
 
The "basic tennents" of society also prevented women from working and voting, and draws upon the civil rights struggle the blacks had against the "basic tennents"

hence the 13th 14th and 15th amendments. and gays are allowed to vote.
 
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