Test E & EQ First Cycle

[Lou Stool]

Age 30, 5'10" 203 lbs BF ~ 8-9%

Workout Hx: 16 years, I feel I have plateaued generally over past 8-10 yrs. Only finally considering AAS now because just hit the big 3-0.

Goals: Gain 10-12 lbs LBM, lose 5 lbs (or more) fat, VERY MUCH hoping to avoid sides (i.e. acne, bloating) and err on the side of caution here.

Thinking of this:

EQ - 250 mg (wk 1-10)
Test E - 375 mg (wk 2-11)
D-Bol - 25 mg ED (wk 1-3)
Winny Tabs - 40 mg ED (wk 9-11)
Proviron - 25 mg ED (wk 2 - 11)
- 50 mg ED (wk 12-15)
HCG - wk 4 - 8 lower dose / wk, wk 9-11 higher dose EOD
Arimadex: used on cycle
Clomid & Nolva PCT
DAA PCT
Fadogia PCT
Also have: Forma Stanzol, Letro, Exemestane, Tribulus
Supports: Liv52, Milk Thistle, Fish Oil, Hawthorne berry, Grape Seed extract, B complex

Diet ~250 - 300g protein, 450 g carbs, 80 g fat, 3700-4000 cals (usually a little less in each area and about 3300 cal but will up to these amts on cycle)

Any help appreciated!

 

[SUPERFLY1234]

seems like a lot of compounds for a first run. try just running test only cycle first. but if you still want to run this many compounds that up your test (500mgs), eq(500mgs). an eq cycle should last at least 15 weeks. or better yet do some more research first.

 

[boss]

Eq is run longer then 10wks. What you listed is a waste.
Your first cycle you should just run test at 500. You will explode.

 

[SFW]

Loose stool? That cycle looks insanely complex.

 

[chucky1]

drop the EQ and run test only @500mg EW you will be happy with that bro.

 

[Lou Stool]

Thanks guys!

I don't wanna get too big (believe it or not), or at least not to the point where I have to buy all new clothes, but want to get over the plateau...so would just 375 or 400 mg test E be a better option on its own to gain a solid 10-15 good lean pounds?

I only have 250 mg/ml x 10 ML EQ but maybe I'll get another, it's just expensive. Maybe I'll save it for later?

I also have 250mg x 10 ML of Deca, and a total of 250 x 20 ampules of Test E. Don't ask...as many of you know once you think about going to the dark side after many years going natty, some of us might get a bit ambitious.

 

[Lou Stool]

Also I think it's relevant that I really don't want a bloated look. Can I count on enough arimidex / letro etc. to control that? <-- if I go the all Test E route

 

[manickanuck]

save the eq for another cycle, even if you get another bottle you won't have enough. Eq should be ran 16 weeks imo and at least 500mgs per week, and this is still pretty weak of a dose for this substance. Save it for next year around this time and run it higher than your test, less bloat for summer. just a thought

 

[AnthonyPiccari]

drop the EQ and run test only @500mg EW you will be happy with that bro.

^^^ THIS , for a first timer Test only at 500mg per weeks will do wonders. No you will not bloat a ton and if u bloat more than your comfortable with take armidex at .5 EOD or another AI as needed and MAKE SURE YOUR DIET AND TRAINING are in line. You will see nice results with this compound. I have done a couple Test E only cycles when i first started and I have a lean frame. I had a ripped lean look at 500mg per week. NEVER had a problem with bloating.

 

[Lou Stool]

^^^ THIS , for a first timer Test only at 500mg per weeks will do wonders. No you will not bloat a ton and if u bloat more than your comfortable with take armidex at .5 EOD or another AI as needed and MAKE SURE YOUR DIET AND TRAINING are in line. You will see nice results with this compound. I have done a couple Test E only cycles when i first started and I have a lean frame. I had a ripped lean look at 500mg per week. NEVER had a problem with bloating.

Nice, that's good to know. You are definitely making a good case for Test E only, I might do that with D-Bol kick first few weeks just for instant gratification purposes.

I hear that gains start to kick in with EQ after ~6 wks, so I would think I'd see results from that if only for 3-4 weeks. Anyway I'll be planning on Test E, which I have plenty of. Getting pretty damn excited!!!

 

[Roaddkingg]

All of the prior posts make good sence and I'm glad you are taking them into consideration.
As was stated with EQ most run it atleast 600mgs per wk to see good results and some go much higher than that.
A 16-20 wk cycle with this compound is common as it is real slow in getting started.
You stated you are considering the test E with a d-bol kicker and you dont want much bloat.
Well then IMO if you keep the d-bol light say 20-30mgs ED that will help but you will still see quite a bit of water weight with that compound.
I would suggest you start arimadex on day one @.5mgs EOD and do this the entire cycle.
500mgs will do you a real nice cycle and if you want to go the full 12 wks you can up the dose a bit in wk # 8.
I wouldnt do the d-bol for more than four wks in the front and if you have some left and like the results you can add it in the back end aswell including the two wks when the esters are clearing.
This will keep you growing right up until PCT begins.
I would assume you are going to run HCG during this cycle, right? Since you are going to be doing a fairly light cycle you can start at 250iu's 2x wkly and if you have to go up to 500iu's 2x per wk that should do it.
It appears you read a lot so you most likely have you'r PCT all covered.
Obviously you know how to train and have been doing it for many years so just work on having a very high protein intake, train like a beast and you will be really happy.

 

[Lou Stool]

All of the prior posts make good sence and I'm glad you are taking them into consideration.
As was stated with EQ most run it atleast 600mgs per wk to see good results and some go much higher than that.
A 16-20 wk cycle with this compound is common as it is real slow in getting started.
You stated you are considering the test E with a d-bol kicker and you dont want much bloat.
Well then IMO if you keep the d-bol light say 20-30mgs ED that will help but you will still see quite a bit of water weight with that compound.
I would suggest you start arimadex on day one @.5mgs EOD and do this the entire cycle.
500mgs will do you a real nice cycle and if you want to go the full 12 wks you can up the dose a bit in wk # 8.
I wouldnt do the d-bol for more than four wks in the front and if you have some left and like the results you can add it in the back end aswell including the two wks when the esters are clearing.
This will keep you growing right up until PCT begins.
I would assume you are going to run HCG during this cycle, right? Since you are going to be doing a fairly light cycle you can start at 250iu's 2x wkly and if you have to go up to 500iu's 2x per wk that should do it.
It appears you read a lot so you most likely have you'r PCT all covered.
Obviously you know how to train and have been doing it for many years so just work on having a very high protein intake, train like a beast and you will be really happy.

Thanks for the respect brother! Ppl are very quick to judge I've noticed...

I have to admit I've probably spent at least 1 week's time just reading and reading (i.e. 168 hrs), and also going on a couple AAS forums. I obviously want Test & EQ or Test & Deca to 'be the right thing', but you guys I have to say were the ones who really finally convinced me to go just Test E. I have to say I probably will do like 250 mg every 4th day i.e. 437.5 mg / wk to stay on the low end.

***Just one last question: Does 250 mg / ml x 10 Deca have any place here (such as 250 Test E / 250 mg Deca for less bloat)? I can also get more Deca pretty cheap. And yes I plan on doing D-Bol 25 mg maybe 10 mg in A.M. and 15 mg before workout.***

I do by the way have probably too much stuff for PCT and on-cycle including 2 x 5000 IU HCG, arimidex, exemestane, nolva, clomid, forma-stanzol, cabergoline (liquid form not sure if that's stable), DAA, Fadogia (what's in HCGenerate), Tribulus, and the Hawthorne Berry / Liv52 stuff yada yada. Probably sticking to Dex .5 EOD, HCG Clomid and Nolva for PCT.

Attaching a pic of me, pretty much same as I look now although it's not my 'peak' which was about 5 lbs more mass than in the pic just to prove I've definitely reached or almost reached my potential time and time again without AAS. On to the next chapter my friend!!!

THANKS AGAIN SO MUCH for all the help.

 

[chucky1]

oh ya bro you look good already you going to look jacked after you cycle good luck just do the test and d bol kicker save the deca and eq for another cycle

 

[MuscleGauge1]

Good advice in here! You should be good to go now ;-)

 

[Lou Stool]

oh ya bro you look good already you going to look jacked after you cycle good luck just do the test and d bol kicker save the deca and eq for another cycle

Thx and you too my man! I'd say I wanna get big like you but not sure I have the $ for a whole new wardrobe. Yeah I definitely paid my dues, unlike lots of peeps who trained a couple years and are SO ready for AAS haha

Can't freakin' wait, I've been seriously considering getting my juice on since I've approached and now reached 30...will definitely post a log keeping track of progress.

Lift-off time scheduled for mid-late April

 

[Dath]

You got a lot of solid advice in here bro.
Had to Rep Roaddking

Last couple questions ya had Got answered...

Two wks after your last pin Pct will begin
4 wks of clomid 100/100/75/50 mgs Ed
4 wks of aromasin (exemestane) 25/25/12.5/12.5 mgs ED

No hcg during pct, and hold that Nolva for any possible gyno issues that may arise.
Good luck with it bro !!

 

[Lou Stool]

Thx man, will definitely follow advice re: PCT.

 

[Roaddkingg]

WOW!
Dath hit it, right on brother.
I was just going to mention I thought aromasin would be a much better choice for PCT and to save the nolva for any possible gyno issues that may arise.
About the deca and whether or not it had a place. Well yes I like deca personally but you stated you dont want much bloat and for me deca blows me up and IMO is considered a mass drug.
So for you on this cycle I would say no it does not have a place.
Besides that IF you were to add deca that opens a whole new chapter because it can cause progesterone sides in some people and it's my recomemndation that you then should use cabergoline if deca is included @ .5mgs 2x wkly throughout cycle.
I knew you did a lot of reading it was obvious in the way you explained things and the amount of planning you put into this.
Keep this one simple and with the physique you already have you will develop nicely.