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Okay here's what the label reads:

testost cypionate 250 mg/ml

1cc intra once weekly

I have not researched this name yet, does anyone have any feedback? been good so far and it's very cheap. My pharm actually ships it to me with syringes for $75. This is for 10 weeks, but it has never lasted that long...

Damn you're pretty lucky then, from what I hear most guys have problems getting their doc to prescribe shots every two weeks, let alone per week, I've also heard as low as 100mg per week is somewhat common

when your blood tests came back over 1000ng did your doc say anything about lowering the dose? Unfortunately some like to just put you in the low normal range, while that's actually off the end of the scale. I wouldn't be complaining for sure lol
 
That's a nice dose!

I'm going to suggest, if you're willing, that you break that up and pin twice a week; it keeps your levels more stable.
 
Damn you're pretty lucky then, from what I hear most guys have problems getting their doc to prescribe shots every two weeks, let alone per week, I've also heard as low as 100mg per week is somewhat common

when your blood tests came back over 1000ng did your doc say anything about lowering the dose? Unfortunately some like to just put you in the low normal range, while that's actually off the end of the scale. I wouldn't be complaining for sure lol

Actually when my results came back he said he really wanted me in the 1200-1500 range, but almost 1100 was good. lol


That's a nice dose!

I'm going to suggest, if you're willing, that you break that up and pin twice a week; it keeps your levels more stable.

I was thinking about that too, but was worried it might push my levels too high. I read somewhere that you peak 24-48 hrs after injection. Then the test is slow absorbed after that. But it only seems rational that splitting the dose would better my results. thanks
 
Actually when my results came back he said he really wanted me in the 1200-1500 range, but almost 1100 was good. lol




I was thinking about that too, but was worried it might push my levels too high. I read somewhere that you peak 24-48 hrs after injection. Then the test is slow absorbed after that. But it only seems rational that splitting the dose would better my results. thanks

IMHO I wouldnt bother twice a week, you already have to do this for the rest of your life, why double that. who wants to be a pin cushion. So many people here preach pinning long ester steroids twice a week but yet it isnt necessary. You wont feel any different pinning twice, trust me. Its all bro-science.
 
Thanks, not sure yet. I'll talk to my dr about that. I'm sure if he thought there were benefits to doing it twice as often he would have said do it that way. I'll ask him though.

Well work out #1 down! and let me tell you I got a long long way to go. 17 yrs. of no weights is too long. My body went into shock LOL (not really). Thanks again folks!
 
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Thanks, not sure yet. I'll talk to my dr about that. I'm sure if he thought there were benefits to doing it twice as often he would have said do it that way.
No, he wouldn't - you're actually lucky he said to pin once a week. The standard of care is one shot every two to three weeks, which is ghastly. Once a week is good; two a week is better because it keeps you from ever dipping as low as you will just before your weekly shot. I have no reason to mislead you. Do what you want.
I'll ask him though.

Well work out #1 down! and let me tell you I got a long long way to go. 17 yrs. of no weights is too long. My body went into shock LOL (not really). Thanks again folks!

Take it easy, okay? Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will you. ;)
 
Built, thanks I will consider pinning twice, but want to get my feet on the ground so to speak, in the gym...

I just finished reading your post (http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/new-members-begin-here/97077-read-me-first-homework-1-newbies.html) and have set myself up on the "FitDay site". I wanted to thank you for this. I think it will be a great asset. Today will be round two for me in the gym. I really need to find someone to work out with. We are relatively new to this area and know very few people. Thanks again, great post! Walker


My next appointment is in one month and I hope my test levels are holding above 1000. Has your husbands dropped any since he has been on test? Also how long has he been on TRT? any problems?
 
wow that doesn't sound like much? this is confusing with all the different measurements.
 
The pinning frequency should be based on the halflife of the ester. "Perfect" would be to pin every day; my first degree is in Mathematics so I modeled predicted blood-levels of androgen released by various esters and pinning frequencies. I brought graphs of these in to our GP to show him why I changed my husband's pinning frequency from one shot every two weeks, to two shots a week. The doctor's comment: "I didn't realize I was going to get an endocrinology lecture today!" lol. He likes me.

S Walker, the halflife of cypionate or enanthate, which are virtually identical and are the most common esters attached to prescription testosterone HRT, are variously listed as anything between 6 days and 11 days. In practice, halflife varies according to not only the ester, but the dose, concentration, size of the oil shot, age of the patient, muscle injected and even the choice of oil used as a vehicle. To be prudent, assume it's at the lowest end of this range: 6 days - basically a week. My modeling showed that pinning twice per halflife gave much steadier levels than pinning once a week; since it also means a very tiny shot it's also more comfortable and you can use a thinner needle. You basically want to avoid sharp peaks and troughs, and twice a week will give you shallower peaks and troughs than pinning once a week. Shallower troughs mean your baseline never drops as low as it would with less-frequent pinning - and thus more time at a higher level. More bang from the same dose. Lower peaks means fewer aas-related side effects, such as aromatase expression and ensuing elevated estrogen. Hopefully thins helps you.

Regarding hubby - nope, no sides and he's been on for two years now. Because we've kept his dose so steady, he stays above the high end of normal every day, but without peaking too high. The effect on his mood, libido and physique (of 75mg X 2 shots a week) have been profound. He would have needed a higher dose to effect these changes had he pinned less frequently. You will get even more out of what you are taking if you pin twice per week instead of once per week. How much more, and if it balances out against the small inconvenience of twice the needle-sticks, is a question only you will be able to answer.
 
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Thanks! also wanted to note my last test showed my level was a little over 1000...


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I prefere the blast and cruise I will cruise on 250-300mg per week Test C. That keeps my test level at around 800. I did straight Test for about 5 months and the gains were AWESOME!! Now blasting Test and DECA
 
wow that doesn't sound like much? this is confusing with all the different measurements.

If 1ml=200mg then 3/4ml=150mg, What built wrote is in fact the very truth pinning twice a week is the ticket to keep blood levels stable through the entire week!
 
The pinning frequency should be based on the halflife of the ester. "Perfect" would be to pin every day; my first degree is in Mathematics so I modeled predicted blood-levels of androgen released by various esters and pinning frequencies. I brought graphs of these in to our GP to show him why I changed my husband's pinning frequency from one shot every two weeks, to two shots a week. The doctor's comment: "I didn't realize I was going to get an endocrinology lecture today!" lol. He likes me.

S Walker, the halflife of cypionate or enanthate, which are virtually identical and are the most common esters attached to prescription testosterone HRT, are variously listed as anything between 6 days and 11 days. In practice, halflife varies according to not only the ester, but the dose, concentration, size of the oil shot, age of the patient, muscle injected and even the choice of oil used as a vehicle. To be prudent, assume it's at the lowest end of this range: 6 days - basically a week. My modeling showed that pinning twice per halflife gave much steadier levels than pinning once a week; since it also means a very tiny shot it's also more comfortable and you can use a thinner needle. You basically want to avoid sharp peaks and troughs, and twice a week will give you shallower peaks and troughs than pinning once a week. Shallower troughs mean your baseline never drops as low as it would with less-frequent pinning - and thus more time at a higher level. More bang from the same dose. Lower peaks means fewer aas-related side effects, such as aromatase expression and ensuing elevated estrogen. Hopefully thins helps you.

Regarding hubby - nope, no sides and he's been on for two years now. Because we've kept his dose so steady, he stays above the high end of normal every day, but without peaking too high. The effect on his mood, libido and physique (of 75mg X 2 shots a week) have been profound. He would have needed a higher dose to effect these changes had he pinned less frequently. You will get even more out of what you are taking if you pin twice per week instead of once per week. How much more, and if it balances out against the small inconvenience of twice the needle-sticks, is a question only you will be able to answer.

So what if the half life is actually 11 days? I think after a few weeks of pinning once a week there's gonna be enough built up residual of hormone that will carry you through the week. I still think its pointless to pin twice a week but I understand your logic.
 
well the logic is that your blood levels dont drop as much. sure there is enough to carry you through the week ,but your levels are going to be on more of a roller coaster. i dont feel any different if i just pin once a week, but i do notice i get a little more acne if i do it just once a week, versus 2 or 3x a week..i dont have any bw to back it, but just sharing how my body responds
 
well the logic is that your blood levels dont drop as much. sure there is enough to carry you through the week ,but your levels are going to be on more of a roller coaster. i dont feel any different if i just pin once a week, but i do notice i get a little more acne if i do it just once a week, versus 2 or 3x a week..i dont have any bw to back it, but just sharing how my body responds

I understand the logic but if the half life is longer than a week it doesnt matter much. My point Im making is who would want to pin twice a week when they probably wouldnt notice a difference.
 
So what if the half life is actually 11 days? I think after a few weeks of pinning once a week there's gonna be enough built up residual of hormone that will carry you through the week. I still think its pointless to pin twice a week but I understand your logic.

If the type of oil, the concentration and the muscle pinned never change, and you happen to know that in your body, pinned this way it is indeed 11 days - then once a week is great.

well the logic is that your blood levels dont drop as much. sure there is enough to carry you through the week ,but your levels are going to be on more of a roller coaster. i dont feel any different if i just pin once a week, but i do notice i get a little more acne if i do it just once a week, versus 2 or 3x a week..i dont have any bw to back it, but just sharing how my body responds

The extra acne is consistent with androgen levels being a little more elevated, briefly, with the less-frequent pinning.

I understand the logic but if the half life is longer than a week it doesnt matter much. My point Im making is who would want to pin twice a week when they probably wouldnt notice a difference.
If the halflife really were 11 days, as I mentioned above, you're golden. Thing is, it likely isn't, and pinning twice a week will keep you level regardless if the halflife is 5 days or 11.

I'll add that this may be a bigger deal for "true" hormone replacement therapy, where the object is to keep to normal physiologic blood levels. Pinning less frequently means a higher-than-normal spike if blood levels are to be maintained at least above the low level of normal before the next shot. For chronic administration, going that much too high for a few days every week may not be such a great idea, particularly when bodyfat may be higher-than-desireable. Pinning a lower dose solves this problem, but leaves blood levels at below-normal for a few days before the next pin.

At supraphysiologic levels, you won't return to normal inside a week, so this may be less of a concern, although the difference between the peak and the valley are more exaggerated. Personally, I'd still prefer to see steadier blood levels, since this means blood levels never go as low as they would with infrequent pinning, and particularly because aromatase expression will be minimized.

My .02.

I am quite aware that guys have been getting huge on a single shot a week for a long time. Lots of stuff works; some stuff is just a little more optimal. Ultimately, it's a judgement call. I just like for people to be informed when they make their choices.

BTW, you can look at the graph on this article to see what I'm getting at:
Daily testosterone and gonadotropin levels are similar in azoospermic and nonazoospermic normal men administered weekly testosterone: implications for male contraceptive development -- Amory et al. 22 (6): 1053 -- Journal of Andrology
Figure 1 shows blood levels at different dosings of test enanthate pinned weekly, after 6 months of treatment. Normal range is given as (2.8???10) ng/ml.

300mg weekly gave blood levels ranging from a high of about 22ng/ml one day after the once-weekly injection, to about 12ng/ml on day 7, at the nadir.

For 100mg weekly, blood levels ranged between about 5ng/ml and about 11 ng/ml, remaining above-normal for about two days.
 
I have a few questions about TRT. I have mostly been searching for others experience with test, but have also noticed alot of acronyms and words being thrown around that I don't know. Like HCG, AI, RUI stane aromasin.

I'm more concerned that there is something I might not be doing that will harm my body. I'm trying to follow my dr's advice, but fear his lack of knowledge on this might cost me in the long run. Can someone give me some advice here? The only thing I'm doing is the TRT and feel great, libido is awesome and I have noticed significant growth in muscle and fat loss. WTH???

BUILT????
(I know she is busy so maybe someone else can chime in here?)
thanks Walker
 
I have a few questions about TRT. I have mostly been searching for others experience with test, but have also noticed alot of acronyms and words being thrown around that I don't know. Like HCG, AI, RUI stane aromasin.

I'm more concerned that there is something I might not be doing that will harm my body. I'm trying to follow my dr's advice, but fear his lack of knowledge on this might cost me in the long run. Can someone give me some advice here? The only thing I'm doing is the TRT and feel great, libido is awesome and I have noticed significant growth in muscle and fat loss. WTH???

BUILT????
(I know she is busy so maybe someone else can chime in here?)
thanks Walker

The HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) is a glycoprotein hormone produced during/after pregnancy , haha, and is meant to mimick LH (luteinizing hormone) which in turn prevents testicular atrophy as your balls still think they need to work. Otherwise, they "take a rest" as they realize the body is getting enough testosterone elsewhere so they think "why work when we don't have to?" The AI is the family of Aromotase Inhibitors. Arimidex and Aromasin are the most common ones used during cycling to control estrogenic sides from getting out of control. Sides include but limited to: water retention and sore nipples. Exemestane is just the name of the ingredient in Aromasin. The ingredient in Arimidex is Anastrozole.

I never use hcg so someone can advise on best doses. Arimidex is usually taken 0.5mg ED or EOD but I find it interferes with my gains and I benefit from it by using 0.5mg E3D or E4D. Aromasin is usually taken 12.5mg ED or EOD.
 
It is responses like yours BB that really make me appreciate this forum. Thank you for the info...
 
s_walker, perhaps do a quick google on the life extension website regarding ancillaries (aromatase inhibitors, antiestrogens, 5-alpha reductase inhibitors, HCG) for HRT. Another resource to ask is heavyiron on this board. You likely don't need anything else; hubby only takes test and he gets less than you. The one thing I'd suggest is check your hemoglobin; if it goes too high, consider donating blood. It keeps your hemoglobin normalized, and you're helping someone out at the same time.
 
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Thanks Built. Not sure if I can donate blood. I did an off label drug with my ms. It's kinda like chemo for cancer.


I hate your husband! :sorry:

Lucky bustard :kissu:


LMAO
 
You can probably still donate - they can use it for research, just tell them so they don't use it on a human.

Why do you hate my husband? You get more test than he does!
 
You can probably still donate - they can use it for research, just tell them so they don't use it on a human.

Why do you hate my husband? You get more test than he does!

My doc wrote 3/4ml test cyp every 6 days which comes to 3.75ml a month, but my pharmacy give me 10ml every month :)

The doctors office told me that the pharmacy would figure it out how much to give me, I just kept my mouth shut, for $80 a month plus pins I get 10ml test cyp 200!
 
I get 250mg a week from my doc, but also get 10ml a month. I pay $70 a month, buy my pins elsewhere but the pharmacy gives me four per month plus a box of alcohol pads. Pretty damn sweet!
 
i get 250mg a week from my doc, but also get 10ml a month. I pay $70 a month, buy my pins elsewhere but the pharmacy gives me four per month plus a box of alcohol pads. Pretty damn sweet!

nice!
 
You can probably still donate - they can use it for research, just tell them so they don't use it on a human.

Why do you hate my husband? You get more test than he does!

True, but he gets Built! Lmao

:clapping:
 
Wow congratulations on finding such a good Doc. Ive asked my doc to change me from the AndroGel to the injections but she is hesitant. She told me if the FDA approves the use of Testosterone Undecanoate then she will put me on that. So bummed.
 
sounds to me like you need to explore some options bud...like find a new dr!
 
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