Dorian Yates- Steroids Setting the Record Straight article about steroid use

[TGB1987]

Well I am not sure if any of you guys were able to read the new Muscular Development magazine for Oct. 2011 yet but there was a great article in there that I wanted to post a thread about. Dorian Yates writes a section in the magazine called Blood & Guts and this month the article was called Steroids- Setting the Record Straight . In this article Dorian talks openly about what he thinks of steroids and really just made me an even bigger fan of him. The guy is Smart and knows more than most would think. The article was very long so I will just put in some of the highlights for you guys. I guess he wrote this because he was tired of guys making up supposed cycles of what he used in his career and wanted to set it straight.
First Steroid Cycle
Dorian said that his first cycle was used as a tool to maintain muscle mass while dieting. This is what he used

wks 1-4 Daily 20mg of Dianabol
wks 5-8 Daily 15lmgs of Anavar and
Weekly 100mgs of Primobolan
He started at 8 wks out weighing 205. He competed at 210-212lbs. Since he lost BF% it is safe to say that he added a decent amount of Muscle mass.

Dorian also touched on these subjects
Steroids do not create Champions
What are Steroids
Who uses Steroids
How Dangerous are Steroids, and Can they be used Safely ( here he made the comment that nobody has ever died from swallowing a whole bottle of Dianabol but I guarantee you that if you swallow an entire bottle of Aspirin, you wont live to see tomorrow.)

The Mr. Olympia Cycle
Weekly
Test prop 300mgs
Parabolan 152mgs
Primobolan 500mgs
Daily
Anavar 50mgs
Growth Hormone 8iu


Off Season Stack (was usually 3 8wk cycles)
Weekly
Testosterone 750mgs
Deca-Durabolin 500mgs
Daily
Dianabol 50mgs

From the age of 21-35 Dorian didn't have more than 10 glasses of wine or alcohol. Only was up after 11:30 a few times and never was more than 5-10 minutes late for a meal. There is much more to being a champion than how much steroids or other drugs you use. Some will never get there no matter how many AAS they use.

Well this was just a summary of the article written by Dorian. If you guys want to read more pick up the latest MD magazine OCT. 2011. What does everyone think of these doses? I think it is possible with the proper dedication and great genetics.

 

[SwoleZilla]

great read

 

[tballz]

That's awesome!

 

[independent]

Those doses look a little low for someone of his caliber. People here do more than that their second cycle.

 

[TGB1987]

Those doses look a little low for someone of his caliber. People here do more than that their second cycle.

I thought the same but this is what Dorian stated in the article. I personally keep the doses low and haven't went over the doses he suggests in the article. Honestly these are more than I have used. Some guys do not respond like others. I think it is possible with the right genetics and determination. Anything is possible. I don't think he would have much too gain by lying about it. I can promise there are guys who have taken more than double this plus many other compounds and have not looked like Dorian. Some of these guys nowadays are taking more than this I am sure but then again there maybe a guy or two who doesn't need as much. Everyone is different.

 

[independent]

I thought the same but this is what Dorian stated in the article. I personally keep the doses low and haven't went over the doses he suggests in the article. Honestly these are more than I have used. Some guys do not respond like others. I think it is possible with the right genetics and determination. Anything is possible. I don't think he would have much too gain by lying about it. I can promise there are guys who have taken more than double this plus many other compounds and have not looked like Dorian. Some of these guys nowadays are taking more than this I am sure but then again there maybe a guy or two who doesn't need as much. Everyone is different.

My thought is he might be down playing it a little so he doesnt send a bunch of wannabes on a binge.

 

[Usealittle]

The doses do sound low but to Dorian was, is and will be the big man on campus.

Doses low yes, but no matter.... We will never know for sure. Also I do think most guys use WAY to much aas to cover up shit workouts or missing meals or just not eatting right in the first place.

To be honest I wouldnt care if the dude came out and said he too 5g test year round plus tons of other shit. The guy is a icon. Anybody that has ever picked up a weight knows his name.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Just picked up a copy of MD october issue earlier today... haven't got to read it yet. But it sounds like a great article.

 

[SFW]

Its a good read broski but i gotta tell ya, a lot of these guys....what theyre sayin needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Im sure most of his tales are truth based though. Lowballin his claimed dosages is just another way for us to say "yep, its all genes"......not sayin he doesnt obviously.

 

[TGB1987]

It very well could be lower than what he actually used but then again I would rather believe him over someone else making up his cycle. If you read the article it really sounds truthful. He starts off with the usual I or MD doesn't condone steroid use and so on. Anyway you look at it, this is a very bold move to say the least. Not many guys especially Mr. Olympia's are sitting down and discussing this at all. Dorian didn't have to do this but he did so why lie about it. Honestly it was very entertaining and a great read whether the doses are right or not. I am hoping some other may have read this and will post because there is 3-4 pages of good reading there, and I would love to see what others thought of it.

 

[Mr.BTB]

Great read, I see he was a fan of primo too. Alot of people bash it and although it is looked at as a girls steroid, I have no idea why. Many greats used it.

But see how he mentioned never up late, always ate great.

 

[World-Pharma.org]

Thanks for good post.

 

[Glycomann]

Balco did some studies on athletes and their response to training and steroids. They were broken down into categories something like non-responders, low responders, average, above average and extreme responders. Some people are just extreme responders. After you've been good friends with enough users you find a couple that are extreme responders and you just sit there and shake your head. Then again, I knew one guy that place in top 6 at Nationals or USA for 5 years and every day there would be three used syringes going into the waste bin.

 

[ANIMALHAUS]

Teenager...

Before Juicing...

The Dorian we all know...

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!! Just look at his teenage photo!

 

[BigBird]

I bet Jay Culter's doses are astronomical compared to Yate's. Then again, it's good that Yates admits his aas use; however, I would bet one month's mortgage that he dosed higher than that. Just my opinion.

 

[Holy Cannoli]

I believe Dorian, Hell I wasnt there to say otherwise. Plus Lee Priest has said in many of his rants, that some of his best gains were when he was cruising on 250mg a week on sust. I have seen some of Dorians workouts and they were insane. Shit I tried to do Branch Warren's Leg workout(Reps and sets not wait) I couldnt walk for 2weeks. I can see the Primo in Dorian now that you said that, look at his pics he looks like somebody chiseled him out of the rock of gibralta. Great Article Bro appreciate the read. Believe him or not the man has held the Highest title in the world from my stand point

 

[malfeasance]

Before Juicing...

It would be a very rare individual that could build arms like that naturally.

 

[D-Lats]

Im sure his doses were a bit higher but you also have to look at the lifestyle and conditions he was allowed. If you can eat slaeep and train at the perfect time everyday fully rested and fueled, without having to worry about work or family and are allowed to focus 100% on your physique amazing things could happen. Obviously his genetics were perfectly suited to the sport, so a lower dose of gear could produce great results. Also the quality and purity of his gear is on another level than most of the stuff guys run on this forum. Half the stuff is underdosed or totally fake so thats why you see guys saying there running a gram of test and 800mg tren a week and are still 185 lbs. Dorian was an animal in the gym and a scientist in the kitxhen and thats where he made his best progress.

 

[Pika]

He is the king!!

 

[SloppyJ]

We all know he used more than that. It's obvious. But I believe he puts this low dose stuff in publications for kids reading it. I mean if he put what he was really on then someone would try and imitate it and get hurt.

 

[Digitalash]

I agree, I'd bet he used more than that. But if he laid out his real cycles there would be too many people who completely disregrded the part about "never missing a training session, never late to a meal" thinking just taking the gear he did would give them the results. Either way it's refreshing to see a pro speak openly about usage.

 

[TGB1987]

anyone else read this yet

 

[Disturbed]

Those doses look a little low for someone of his caliber. People here do more than that their second cycle.

i no what your saying ,but with good gear and gentics ,with hard dedication it happens i've seen it work.

 

[Disturbed]

It would be a very rare individual that could build arms like that naturally.

you are so wrong my friend

 

[Glycomann]

No he had an IV blend of test suspension, Winstrol V and GH going the whole time he wasn't in the gym. This article is BS. Everybody knows the top pros are just average guys an a ton of gear. Genetics is just a lie put out by greedy scientists that want to spend my tax dollars on new shoes and espresso machines... just like evolution.

 

[Evil Eagle]

No he had an IV blend of test suspension, Winstrol V and GH going the whole time he wasn't in the gym. This article is BS. Everybody knows the top pros are just average guys an a ton of gear. Genetics is just a lie put out by greedy scientists that want to spend my tax dollars on new shoes and espresso machines... just like evolution.

I hope you're joking. A guy I went to high school with is well on his way to being a great body builder because of his genetics. He was a beast naturally and just ran his first cycle which was prop ONLY and he looks like like a pro at just 23. Genetics play a huge role.

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[Holy Cannoli]

Thats crap I have seen photos of Jay cutler when he was 15yo and he was still a big ass kid. His father and grandfather owned and worked in a concrete company anyone who has ever done that sort of work knows how ass bustin it is Genetics helps out immensly. Now a days you have a bunch of what pill what cycle. Shit Eat right, sleep right, train right and you will get phenominal results without gear like Arnold said nothing beats a strong mind to muscle connection. Gear is for people that want to take it to the next level, not for lazy pieces of shit. I have plenty of people that ask me what is your favorite cycle I tell them Chest, Legs ,Back , and arms. Rinse, lather repeat.Hater hurter

 

[Livebig14]

No possible way he used doses that low. Im not saying he ran 5 grams of test a week, but under 1.5 grams total AAS for a bulking cycle? Im not buying it. Hes covering up for the heavy steroid abuse that goes on in this sport and doesnt want to put information out there that could kill someone. Im sure he was under a doctors supervision 24/7 so if anything went wrong for him he would be fine. Wouldnt be the same case for Joe Schmoe who decided he wanted to look like Dorian overnight. Just my opinion

 

[pieguy]

you are so wrong my friend

Not really. Only a very very small portion of the population has the propensity to put on significant muscle while having a good brachiallis insertion point to give you a good looking arm with a high peak like dorians. Do you even know Dorian's measurements/weight? He was a true mass monster, and in my opinion, kind of ruined the sport

 

[independent]

I always thought he was natural.