mervin said:
John H...I have not attacked you one time. Just because i believe you are 100% wrong and living in a world of denial, that does not mean I am attacking you. It seems that you have a " everyone's out to get me " complex. A human being can believe anything is right and keep searching around until they find a " study " that supports their opinion. If I say that drug abuse is wrong, does that mean I am a hate monger, attacking drug addicts and preaching hate.
What the homosexual community does is in essence, attack anyone that says homosexuality is wrong by calling them homophobic, intolerant, propagating hate, etc.
Just because church going people say that homosexuality is wrong.....all of a sudden they are preaching and teaching hate? If someone says that adultery is wrong and has a negative effect on society and the family, are the preaching and teaching hate? If someone says that stealing is wrong, is that attacking the midnight burglar? I come from a religious background and have not ever heard a church preach hate toward homosexuals. Yes, there are some freaks like the " preacher " that goes around carrying signs that say " God hates fags", but that is an extreme. Just because you have standards and principles in your life and do not agree with something does not mean you hate.
John H, I know many church people that would help you, feed you, be your friend, but not for one second agree with or condone your lifestyle. Is that hate? I don't think so. I know people that have come out of the homosexual lifestyle that were adamant homosexuals and activists and saying the same things you are saying. But in the end, they said it was all an effort to try and make themselves believe that homosexuality was a normal lifestyle. And the truth was that they were hurting on the inside, full of problems and pains and trying to make themselves believe a lie.
I do not believe that anyone is born homosexual. I tend to agree with Little Richie, he said no one is born gay, it's contagious and he caught it when at 10 when his uncle molested him. Probably 99% of all gay people experienced sexual abuse by the person of the same sex in their childhood, had an abusive Father or a dominated, rule the roost mama.
I really get tired of people of traditional standards and principle being attacked as homophobic, hatemongers and intolerant because people are insecure and trying to make themselves believe a lie.
Hi Mervin,
Some religious people are fine. Many are out of their minds. And have been brainwashed. And ALLOWED themselves to be brainwashed. And are looking for ANY reason to damn someone else to make themselves "feel better about themselves" in the process...
Each of the sexualities is natural, completely so. And they exist in Nature and the Natural World of which Human Beings are a part. And God - HIMSELF - and Christ - HIMSELF - NEVER said one word about any of the Sexualities being wrong in any way. Period. Just as your Heterosexuality is not wrong so too is my BiSexuality not wrong or someone else's Homosexuality is not wrong. Each is a variation as with all things in life. Naturally so.
HOW people treat each other is what makes the difference.
"Religion(s)" is the root - the source - of the hatred and the bigotry, etc. against people who are BiSexual and Homosexual. So if a person is a target from a "religious" person as with anyone else they HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT to defend themselves against those attacks. Doing so with facts that are accurate and truthful is important and necessary. Showing all sides of a subject give a more complete picture of the topic - at least to people who are willing to see things objectively without preconceived notions...
An attack by one person or group of persons requires a defense or even counterattack. Especially if that attack is brought on by those who are using information that is completely false and inaccurate. "Religion" and "religious" people DO THAT ALL THE TIME! And there is the root of the hatred towards others who are the focus of the damning, etc.
How you write what you write sets the tone and causes others who read what you write to understand that in the manner you do that. You are using the Bible and how you were taught by your "religion" and how you learned to make statements about others. And that learning is how you are making those statements. So you are using your sources to criticize others. It is then completely right for someone else who may be a target of what you are saying to put forth information that is contrary to what you are saying to disprove your statements.
Personally, I do not have a "everyone's out to get me complex" - far from that! But I do see what some try to do and what methods they utilize.
Right now, you too are defending yourself and your statements about Homosexuals because you feel they are attacking you. And like-minded people. In essence you are saying it is alright for you to criticize someone else but it is not alright for them to counter that criticism. YOU are saying that Homosexuals are somehow wrong. And you are basing that on what you have learned. THEY are saying that what you learned is NOT true. They are responding to something you (meaning anyone here) are doing. They have that right just as you have the right to say what you say. But now you are complaining that the focus is now turned back onto you.
I consider ALL information from ALL sources ALL the time - objectively and with an open mind. I have no preconceived notions. I do not have tunnel vision as many "religious types" seem to certainly be guilty of.
In "religion" and with "religious peoples" there IS A LOT OF EXTREMISM. Look at their history and present practices. It is all around you. It is blatant.
If "religion" and "religious people" were not so full of hatred and bigotry and misinformation no one would have any cause to complain about it or find fault.
You (meaning anyone here) DO NOT "catch" Homosexuality especially just because you may or may not have been abused as a child - THAT IS FALSE. Did you (and this could be directed to anyone here) "catch" Heterosexuality? So then why do you even remotely think someone can "catch" Homosexuality or BiSexuality? It IS something each person is born with. And each has valid purposes and reasons and meanings.
Those "traditional standards" you speak of are something you LEARNED AND WERE TAUGHT and you "accepted" without going and checking for yourself their validity and truthfulness and accuracy - you just "accepted" something you were told... And because you (meaning anyone like-minded) find comfort in your learning and someone who does not agree with you you now feel a need to object to, you complain. Anyone who is the object of your criticism has a perfect right - and obligation - to counter your criticism. If you (meaning anyone here) can dish it out you should EXPECT to receive what you dish out returned to you.
Take Care, John H.
it seems like noone is going to give on their personal views so its going nowhere.. lol but it seems like its gonna be going nowhere for a long time.. 
80-90% of the people claiming to be religous is full of shit! Thats one reason I dont go to church. The best people I met in my life did not go to church, yet I could trust them the most. You just dont know how much this PISSES ME OFF!!!! 
