My First CYCLE HELP

[saint924]

Ok basically this'll be my first cycle.. you guys probably will think it not be so much a great idea... but im going to do the cycle with my bro. We've been working out the past 8 months with each other and he decided he wants in.

My stats:

Age: 21
Height:5'8
Start weight:126
current Weight:144
Working out for: Been working out since 14 started to get serious at 16
Wasnt so greatly educated at the time nore was I able to be consistent though do to school amongst other things however hit it 3-5 days a week.
18 was working out every day for a year never gained. I'd say though the past year and a half I have really gotten educated in bodybuilding. 6-8 meals a day about 140-170g protein. Eating lean chicken breast mostly with rice or potatoes and some vegies. Taking a bunch of supps to add into my highly nutritious diet. Giving each body part 48 hours rest. And trying to hit the gym every day.

Goal: I would like to gain 20-30 pounds.

My bro:
Age:25
Height:5'6
Start weight: 115
Current Weight:130
Working out for: pretty much the same history as me...
I've pretty much told him his breakthrew of what he should be eating and so on so forth.

We weigh relatively light but we are stronger if not as strong as most people 30+pounds over us.

Both of us have been focusing on Dumbells for our presses
We can dumbel press 2 x 85s(170) for 5 reps(full 90degree good form). Absolutely no BS. We are currently taking Creatine post workout shake and superpump 250 preworkout which probably contributes to that strength greatly but still a great accomplishment in my eyes. And I know we can do more if we want to.


Sorry if this is too much info. Anyway I read in to all the anti estrogens and so forth... and some people are mentioning to take this others take that.. blah blah. I'd just like someone to help me out

My plan is to take Testosterone Enth with Deca.
I just want to know if you guys think that would be alright as a first cycle... to tell you the truth.. I want to only do one cycle just to blow past this halt..
Can someone link me maybe to a good beginners cycle if they dont feel like contributing there time to writing things out?

Any info would be greatly appreciated... I already purchased-- milk thistle, Saw palmetto and Cranberry pills to keep my system clean. The PCT stuff I'll probably get threw the same source that I get the AAS from.. I trust him.. he's family and gets good stuff. Thanks.

 

[smaj210]

 

[minimal]

if you're going to run it.. just stick to test only for your first cycle. Deca has its own side effects you gotta worry about.

 

[D-Lats]

Holy fuck you guys are tiny!!! Id be hitting the buffet before the juice.

 

[GMO]

Holy fuck you guys are tiny!!! Id be hitting the buffet before the juice.

No shit...you guys need to eat.

 

[jmorrison]

To be honest man you need to learn to eat before AAS. That said, if you are going to cycle start with just test and leave the deca out.

 

[skinnyguy180]

Holy cow where did you guys meet a short and small convention??? drop the deca and run the test you can add a kick start if you would like also d-bol. but being on these drugs you really need to eat. So would practice eating first...and try STEAK if you can afford it

 

[cutright]

I would try to adjust diet first but if your set on running a cycle I would limit it to 1 compound 1st to see how ur body reacts, first cycle with just Test will give u great results if you diet right and hit it hard, but either way u go I wish u luck bro!

 

[MadScientist]

I have lifting equipment older than you guys...go eat and train for 10 years and then come back and ask those questions!

 

[saint924]

Holy fuck you guys are tiny!!! Id be hitting the buffet before the juice.

Trust me bro I eat alot. I can probably out eat most guys here. My entire family is skinny. Some far more skinny than me. The last cheat meal I had I ate a dish of wings, a 8 oz cheeseburger with the whole lot of fries and the remainder steak out of my GF's dish which was like half of her rib eye. And I still ate dessert. Just now I ate for my 3rd meal 7oz turkey breast, sweet potatoes, spinach and corn bread with smart butter and syrup. And Im still hungry and desperately waiting my 4th. I went from 126 to 144. This weight Im at now is hard to break past and took consistency. I've gained some strength in the past month in a half. But the weight just wont come. I don't know what to say.. my family just has a fast metabolism. But most of us are pretty damn strong and muscular for our weight. And actually I'm going to hit the cycle within the next 2 months. Longer is better in my opinion. I want to make sure I have everything down and ready first.

 

[ct67_72]

That is NOT eating a lot. I stopped reading after both of your stats.
You have no business doing anything.
if you cant even get over that kind of body weight ater training "seriously" for that amount of time, nothing is going to help you.
If you maintain your current diet and get on something you will gain some size, but honestly probably about the same as you could by changing your diet, and lifting properly NOT on any AAS.

 

[J.thom]

Trust me bro I eat alot. I can probably out eat most guys here. My entire family is skinny. Some far more skinny than me. The last cheat meal I had I ate a dish of wings, a 8 oz cheeseburger with the whole lot of fries and the remainder steak out of my GF's dish which was like half of her rib eye. And I still ate dessert. Just now I ate for my 3rd meal 7oz turkey breast, sweet potatoes, spinach and corn bread with smart butter and syrup. And Im still hungry and desperately waiting my 4th. I went from 126 to 144. This weight Im at now is hard to break past and took consistency. I've gained some strength in the past month in a half. But the weight just wont come. I don't know what to say.. my family just has a fast metabolism. But most of us are pretty damn strong and muscular for our weight. And actually I'm going to hit the cycle within the next 2 months. Longer is better in my opinion. I want to make sure I have everything down and ready first.

WRONG! If you could eat a lot you would be much bigger, plain n simple. Odds are you are not in taking enough calories, therfore you're not growing. I advice you to learn a little bit more about the usages of AAS and start to eat more and train heavier.
Gl with your bulking goals in 2011

 

[squigader]

Ok basically this'll be my first cycle.. you guys probably will think it not be so much a great idea... but im going to do the cycle with my bro. We've been working out the past 8 months with each other and he decided he wants in.

My stats:

Age: 21
Height:5'8
Start weight:126
current Weight:144
Working out for: Been working out since 14 started to get serious at 16
Wasnt so greatly educated at the time nore was I able to be consistent though do to school amongst other things however hit it 3-5 days a week.
18 was working out every day for a year never gained. I'd say though the past year and a half I have really gotten educated in bodybuilding. 6-8 meals a day about 140-170g protein. Eating lean chicken breast mostly with rice or potatoes and some vegies. Taking a bunch of supps to add into my highly nutritious diet. Giving each body part 48 hours rest. And trying to hit the gym every day.

Goal: I would like to gain 20-30 pounds.

My bro:
Age:25
Height:5'6
Start weight: 115
Current Weight:130
Working out for: pretty much the same history as me...
I've pretty much told him his breakthrew of what he should be eating and so on so forth.

We weigh relatively light but we are stronger if not as strong as most people 30+pounds over us.

Both of us have been focusing on Dumbells for our presses
We can dumbel press 2 x 85s(170) for 5 reps(full 90degree good form). Absolutely no BS. We are currently taking Creatine post workout shake and superpump 250 preworkout which probably contributes to that strength greatly but still a great accomplishment in my eyes. And I know we can do more if we want to.


Sorry if this is too much info. Anyway I read in to all the anti estrogens and so forth... and some people are mentioning to take this others take that.. blah blah. I'd just like someone to help me out

My plan is to take Testosterone Enth with Deca.
I just want to know if you guys think that would be alright as a first cycle... to tell you the truth.. I want to only do one cycle just to blow past this halt..
Can someone link me maybe to a good beginners cycle if they dont feel like contributing there time to writing things out?

Any info would be greatly appreciated... I already purchased-- milk thistle, Saw palmetto and Cranberry pills to keep my system clean. The PCT stuff I'll probably get threw the same source that I get the AAS from.. I trust him.. he's family and gets good stuff. Thanks.

You guys need to eat way more! Get some steak, eggs and whole milk pronto! You should have at least 500-1000 calories in excess each day! Stick to your compound movements and ignore isolation exercises for the time being - pick up a copy of Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe. Also, train a MAX of 4 or 5 times a week (every other day is good, as it gives your body time to recover). You seriously need more weight and some more experience before screwing around with this stuff IMO. Trust me, you have a LOT more natural gains waiting to be harnessed, just follow some of the above and check back with me in 5-6 months.

Trust me, you should NOT be worried about cheat meals unless you're actively cutting.

 

[chucky1]

you eat 6-8 meals a day and only take in 170 grams of protein? your bro should at least take in 260 grams and you 288 grams a day plus carbs and cals and your not growing cuz diet and over training, you need to let your muscles recover 48 hours is not enough time dude. take 2 days off a week and EATTTTTTTTTTTTTT

 

[bob lowther]

wk 1-6 50mg d-bol e/d
wk 1-6 500mg test e e/w
wk 6-12 750mg test e e/w

 

[saint924]

you eat 6-8 meals a day and only take in 170 grams of protein? your bro should at least take in 260 grams and you 288 grams a day plus carbs and cals and your not growing cuz diet and over training, you need to let your muscles recover 48 hours is not enough time dude. take 2 days off a week and EATTTTTTTTTTTTTT

As far as i knew thats the amount of protein to take when your on a cycle.
I'm pretty sure 1.5g per pound of body weight. And the rest needed for weight gain is the carb's and the fat. I dont know perhaps im wrong. And also when I say 48 doesnt meen im doing chest every 2 days. I meen for example:

Monday: Back and bi's
Tuesday: chest
Weds: legs
tuesday: REST
thursday: Shoulders
friday: Bi's and tri's
Saturday: Rest
Sunday: Legs

I mix it up according to how I feel. But if i hit my chest I wont
touch my tris until 48 hours.. if I hit my back I wont touch my bi's
until 48 hours. And to get back on chest typically takes a little while.
If im feeling worn down I'll take 1 more days rest and see what my body feels like to determine the best workout when I get back.

I typically use free weights for working out and lift heavy 6-8 reps.
However I mix it up with some cable workouts in the mix every now and than to shock my body and get a good pump.

I'll eat more without a doubt.. but I honestly don't think I need more protein than what I'm eating I'm sure I would get better results eating more clean carbs and fats.

And yeah when I was younger for a while I was only hitting it 3-4 times a week and every part once a week. That doesnt do anything for me anymore.. I try and hit it as much as possible now with consideration of proper recovery. That's the only way my body stays anobolic and my apetite stays up. Anyway thanks for commenting and if I said something wrong please be sure to let me know.

 

[saint924]

You guys need to eat way more! Get some steak, eggs and whole milk pronto! You should have at least 500-1000 calories in excess each day! Stick to your compound movements and ignore isolation exercises for the time being - pick up a copy of Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe. Also, train a MAX of 4 or 5 times a week (every other day is good, as it gives your body time to recover). You seriously need more weight and some more experience before screwing around with this stuff IMO. Trust me, you have a LOT more natural gains waiting to be harnessed, just follow some of the above and check back with me in 5-6 months.

Trust me, you should NOT be worried about cheat meals unless you're actively cutting.

Yea I decided to wait till 2012 to take the cycle I'm going to up my calories a bit more. The only problem is too much of those protein sources you mentioned tends to hurt my stomach. I've been taking digestive enzymes lately to help me out. I don't know maybe I just need more fiber.. or perhaps I have a food alergy to something thats in my diet atm. I'll have to figure it out. But yea thanks for the comment. However I'm definitely taking a cycle by 2012. My cousin who's in his 30's now never past 140 until he took his first cycle of test/deca he said his apetite went up the roof and his sex drive was amazing.. he hit about 180 and after the cycle maintained 170-173. But I suppose at his age it might have been just what his body needed. Ah well thanks.

 

[saint924]

That is NOT eating a lot. I stopped reading after both of your stats.
You have no business doing anything.
if you cant even get over that kind of body weight ater training "seriously" for that amount of time, nothing is going to help you.
If you maintain your current diet and get on something you will gain some size, but honestly probably about the same as you could by changing your diet, and lifting properly NOT on any AAS.

I went from 126 to 144 i actually look very muscular at 5'8 with my small frame. And I have made gains since but in the strength department. Perhaps I'm not eating enough true but I'm sure I'm not lifting improperly. And most people who do steroids have no business doing them.. but they do them anyway. It's a risk everyone takes. However I've decided to hold off. I'll up my calories more and wait another 6 months to see how I progress. Thank you for commenting.

 

[gym66]

stick around here and read, learn and eat. if you stop gaining weight up your cals by 500.

Nutrition facts, calories in food, labels, nutritional information and analysis – NutritionData.com to calculate your macros

 

[chucky1]

As far as i knew thats the amount of protein to take when your on a cycle.
I'm pretty sure 1.5g per pound of body weight. And the rest needed for weight gain is the carb's and the fat. I dont know perhaps im wrong. And also when I say 48 doesnt meen im doing chest every 2 days. I meen for example:

Monday: Back and bi's
Tuesday: chest
Weds: legs
tuesday: REST
thursday: Shoulders
friday: Bi's and tri's
Saturday: Rest
Sunday: Legs

I mix it up according to how I feel. But if i hit my chest I wont
touch my tris until 48 hours.. if I hit my back I wont touch my bi's
until 48 hours. And to get back on chest typically takes a little while.
If im feeling worn down I'll take 1 more days rest and see what my body feels like to determine the best workout when I get back.

I typically use free weights for working out and lift heavy 6-8 reps.
However I mix it up with some cable workouts in the mix every now and than to shock my body and get a good pump.

I'll eat more without a doubt.. but I honestly don't think I need more protein than what I'm eating I'm sure I would get better results eating more clean carbs and fats.

And yeah when I was younger for a while I was only hitting it 3-4 times a week and every part once a week. That doesnt do anything for me anymore.. I try and hit it as much as possible now with consideration of proper recovery. That's the only way my body stays anobolic and my apetite stays up. Anyway thanks for commenting and if I said something wrong please be sure to let me know.

right on dude i misunderstood some of your post 1.5g per pound is good its about what i eat now but when i was despret to put on mass i would TRY to eat two g per pound of body weight and a shit load of carbs a day somewhere around 4000 cals a day and i grew. keep it up dude what you said about your training looks good (IN 2012 when you cycle)"NOT MY ADVICE" follow the first cycle sticky in the anabolic zone dont use deca your first cycle i did and my dick has not worked right scene be careful

 

[ct67_72]

I went from 126 to 144 i actually look very muscular at 5'8 with my small frame. And I have made gains since but in the strength department. Perhaps I'm not eating enough true but I'm sure I'm not lifting improperly. And most people who do steroids have no business doing them.. but they do them anyway. It's a risk everyone takes. However I've decided to hold off. I'll up my calories more and wait another 6 months to see how I progress. Thank you for commenting.

That's great, and at 144 you still have plenty of room to grow.
I am glad to hear you re evaluated you decision and took some advise here.
By the way if your stuck at 144 you need to yo your calories. If you want to get bigger you can't be worried about keeping a suoer low body fat, you need to eat. Grow, and you can cut the fat after.
This isn't going to change whether you on or off

 

[oufinny]

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