time to come off

[stfuandliftbtch]

Time to Come off???

been on a few cycles for a little under a year. a total of 3 cycles, bridge between 1st and second, and a cruise between 2 and 3. it has been around 50 weeks total. My weight has been about the same between the 2nd and third cycle. i might of leaned out a little bit during the 3rd though due to switching from deca to test. I've been around 210-215lbs and haven't really been putting on any more. I feel it is either due to not eating enough calories, or my receptors are just getting burned out.

Calories have been about the same between cycle 2 & 3 because vie been trying to just put on lean muscle instead of going overboard and getting fat.
fats: 80-120g/ed
carbs: 300-550g/ed
protein: 250-380g/ed (training day or not/if i sleep in, sometimes 12+hr sleep)

roughly 4k calories a day. i make sure im getting 60-100carbs, at least 45 grams of protein and at around 10-15grams of fat a mean.

Roughly 4,000 calories a day.


My 3rd cycle is soon to end. 400mgs Tren/EW ran out after 10 weeks...finishing 800mgs test/wk until week 12 or 13. Thinking about just cruising again @ 200-300mgs test/wk(6weeks), or either coming off all AAS and maintaining gains with slin, and maybe buy some hgh(4iuED) to add to that and maybe put on a few more pounds of muscle. If i do that, i will take 8 weeks off, then hop back on.

Think i have not seen gains because calories are not over 4k?
-I am 5'8" 210lbs with unknown bodyfat.

injectables: i have not tried any other injectable aas besides test, deca and tren. would like to give Equipoise a try next

orals: only tried dbol and adrol



p.s. coming off might be hard, im feel i have become somewhat addicted.

 

[beautifulpeople]

Age? Cycle history? Is this your first time blasting and cruising? How long do you plan to run GH? Hopefully significantly longer than the 8 weeks of AAS vacation. I'd suggest serious, committed, well planned PCT with 6mos. minimum GH and other peptides (depending on your age/experience). Give your body and receptors some much needed recovery. No offense, but you don't strike me as a FT competitor based on your questions, so I'd approach this with a lot of attention to the longer term ramifications. The bros will have a lot more input than I if you give some further info.

 

[stfuandliftbtch]

Age? Cycle history? Is this your first time blasting and cruising? How long do you plan to run GH? Hopefully significantly longer than the 8 weeks of AAS vacation. I'd suggest serious, committed, well planned PCT with 6mos. minimum GH and other peptides (depending on your age/experience). Give your body and receptors some much needed recovery. No offense, but you don't strike me as a FT competitor based on your questions, so I'd approach this with a lot of attention to the longer term ramifications. The bros will have a lot more input than I if you give some further info.

I turn 21 in february and have ran 5 cycles. cycle 3-4 was a cruise of 10mg/dbol. cycle 4-5 was cruise @ 300mg test/wk. Getting opinions on what to do in-between cycles 5&6. I'd run GH for at least 90 days(I hear that is around minimum). I have not done much research on GH yet, but will do my homework when i decide it is time to give it a go. I do not think i can go longer than 8 weeks without AAS unless i notice significant gains with the GH+slin. HGH is extremely expensive so i have to spend my money wisely on the HG. I'm only working part time right now, but should have my NSCA-cert. by the end of this month. Looking forward to making some real money so i can afford all of this stuff.


P.S. keep in mind my most important factor for me is gaining muscle>health. Turning pro is my goal and 6 months with no AAS seems like it would set me back quite a bit. I do know there are many more experienced aas users on this forum that most likely have have some sort of good input.


Thanks for your help. Input is greatly appreciated!

 

[Noheawaiian]

21 and you've already done 5 cycles? Damn.
Look, i'd strongly advise that you back off the aas for a while and try to kickstart your natty test (keep in mind it didn't get a chance to develope completely). When you come off, I can almost gaurantee you that you'll feel like shit, but just keep your head on straight and you'll get through it. Also, make sure to get bloodwork done throughout/after pct to ensure things are normal (test/estro/fsh/etc.)
As for its effect on progress, yes, taking time off will come with some muscle/libido loss, BUT you can minimize this and retain some good mass if you pull out EVERY stop: meaning that you'd better dial your macros in, incorporate solid dietary supplementation, and etch your training schedule in STONE.
Keep in mind that you're used to having higher test levels, and coming off will include a nice hefty drop in testosterone.


P.S. I know exactly what it feels like to chase a pro card, and I went through my phase of complete disregard for my long-term health. Just appreciate your health now because as time passes, and you develope new relationships thoughout your life, you don't want to endup in a hospital bed thinking "damn, i wish I would've taken better care of myself." Yeah, the idea is to live life to the fullest and chase what it is that makes you happy, but what is it worth if you can't fully enjoy your accomplishments later on down the road. I personally don't think slin/aas are necessary for growth at your age, but that's your decision, so just stay safe with it, don't rush things, don't pull a dave palumbo and think more is better, and good luck.


Best Regards,
Noheawaiian

 

[stfuandliftbtch]

21 and you've already done 5 cycles? Damn.
Look, i'd strongly advise that you back off the aas for a while and try to kickstart your natty test (keep in mind it didn't get a chance to develope completely). When you come off, I can almost gaurantee you that you'll feel like shit, but just keep your head on straight and you'll get through it. Also, make sure to get bloodwork done throughout/after pct to ensure things are normal (test/estro/fsh/etc.)
As for its effect on progress, yes, taking time off will come with some muscle/libido loss, BUT you can minimize this and retain some good mass if you pull out EVERY stop: meaning that you'd better dial your macros in, incorporate solid dietary supplementation, and etch your training schedule in STONE.
Keep in mind that you're used to having higher test levels, and coming off will include a nice hefty drop in testosterone.


P.S. I know exactly what it feels like to chase a pro card, and I went through my phase of complete disregard for my long-term health. Just appreciate your health now because as time passes, and you develope new relationships thoughout your life, you don't want to endup in a hospital bed thinking "damn, i wish I would've taken better care of myself." Yeah, the idea is to live life to the fullest and chase what it is that makes you happy, but what is it worth if you can't fully enjoy your accomplishments later on down the road. I personally don't think slin/aas are necessary for growth at your age, but that's your decision, so just stay safe with it, don't rush things, don't pull a dave palumbo and think more is better, and good luck.


Best Regards,
Noheawaiian

thanks for input..speaking of health...i went to the urgent care because i could barely breath, they did some tests, hooking some shit up all over my body, and said i shouldn't drive and they called the ambulance. i was in the ER and had to stay overnight because they doc's said my heart was enflamed and had a virus around it. i had a resting/sleeping heart rate of 120. The next day, after almost no sleep, some nitro and lots of blood taken for test, i was completely fine, went home and shot up. i was running a very high dose of deca along with test. 3 months later i read an article in MD claiming that deca can increase the size of your heart. My gf was yelling at me the whole time telling me she was going to dump me if i didn't stop. i told her before, this is part of my life, and if she cant except it, then so be it. It has caused problems with relationships.

you are very right, health and relationships can be/have been greatly impacted.

 

[FordFan]

I think you should calm down for a bit. I would pct and try to kickstart everything. You do not want to be on trt for life.

 

[D-Lats]

Cruise at 200 mg a week for a couple months. You probably fucked up you natty test anyway.

 

[heavyiron]

Its your calories brother.

I would schedule some time off of training, eating and hit a cruise dose ASAP. Take a week off from the gym and eating. Hit 200-250mg Test per week for at least 6 weeks. During that time decided if you want to do a PCT and get your diet in order. I would also strongly advise HCG during this cruise. 500iu HCG twice weekly to stimulate natty T production. This will get you ready for PCT if you so choose. If not, at least you have stimulated natty T output for a while.

Brother, I have blasted and cruised for almost 5 straight year. I have made remarkable changes to my body this last year and I'm in my mid forties. YOU HAVE TIME. I beat my body up hard this last year and realized, WTF am I doing? We all need a break and frankly I know I'm addicted to Testosterone. I will NEVER stop using it but you have to schedule breaks in the training, eating and get off those high doses. It seems tough in your mind but its like everything else in life. Plan the cruise and stick to it. Determine in your mind to take a break. Spend time with family, loved ones and friends. Get out of the routine and have some fun when you start your cruise. 6 weeks will fly by and at that point you may realize you want to recover. If not go get a physical and labs and make an educated decision about your next blast.

Good luck brother.

 

[Vibrant]

Some very good advice in here. Listen to it and stay safe. I too am trying to become a pro in my sport, so I know the temptation to say fuck it and pin every thing in sight. Its very hard to resist especially when you lose a close match/tournament/competition/etc. But you have to remember that anything worthwhile takes years of dedication to achieve.


Good luck on achieving your pro card.

 

[Digitalash]

Cruise at 200 mg a week for a couple months. You probably fucked up you natty test anyway.

Hate to say I agree, at this point I personally wouldn't try and pct. I know it's entirely possible but I don't even think you want to anyway, and it's definitely not guaranteed to work. Spend a few months cruising, you can back off a bit on the diet and training and give yourself some time to recuperate. Just try to maintain and work out your relationship or whatever. When you come back in a few months and cycle again your results will be a million times better.

 

[tinyshrek]

Its your calories brother.

I would schedule some time off of training, eating and hit a cruise dose ASAP. Take a week off from the gym and eating. Hit 200-250mg Test per week for at least 6 weeks. During that time decided if you want to do a PCT and get your diet in order. I would also strongly advise HCG during this cruise. 500iu HCG twice weekly to stimulate natty T production. This will get you ready for PCT if you so choose. If not, at least you have stimulated natty T output for a while.

Brother, I have blasted and cruised for almost 5 straight year. I have made remarkable changes to my body this last year and I'm in my mid forties. YOU HAVE TIME. I beat my body up hard this last year and realized, WTF am I doing? We all need a break and frankly I know I'm addicted to Testosterone. I will NEVER stop using it but you have to schedule breaks in the training, eating and get off those high doses. It seems tough in your mind but its like everything else in life. Plan the cruise and stick to it. Determine in your mind to take a break. Spend time with family, loved ones and friends. Get out of the routine and have some fun when you start your cruise. 6 weeks will fly by and at that point you may realize you want to recover. If not go get a physical and labs and make an educated decision about your next blast.

Good luck brother.

Very good advice. Another thing is going on a diet. Try and get super lean for like 12-16 weeks regardless of cycle or cruise. Do a lot of cardio. Then when you go back to putting on some size can catch a rebound and start gaining again

 

[celticthug]

i have limited exp with ass.3rd cycle/year a half.not gonna give u any advice threre.however i have been liftin hard since about 16(im forty now)
at your age u think 3 or 4 months is a long time.it aint nuttin,bro.when i look at my friends an school mates the difference between them an me is crazy.their fat,im lean.they are hunched over,im straight an wide.they are trin not to throw their back out,im tryin for 500 bp this year(an no doubt i will)they used to shake their heads at all the time, at the amount of time i spent in the gym.still are shakin their heads when they see their daughters smiling at me.point bein,dont take summtin that is such a life enhancer an make it a huge negative.i know u have goals,i think thats great.how much are u gonna lose when ur in the er an they cant tell what the fuck is wrong with u.take the time off,natty comes back great,if not then trt.let ur body cleanse,an next cycle will be killer(in a good way) good luck bro

 

[bundle]

ur 21 IMO u should not TRT before trying PCT , ur young ,u should bounce back fine witha strong pct plan -with a solid pct u shouldn't lose much, once u stat trt its gonna b for life -u want kids...? and i hear u bro about the addiction part , man i love being on

 

[stfuandliftbtch]

thanks for the replies. taking in all feedback. As of now, i think i'm leaning towards 2-3 month cruise @ 200mg/wk which i will be starting next week along with 10iu humR pw & 500iu HCG 2x/pw, possibly more if im not noticing any size change.

i will also take advice on trying to lean down and get shredded. In the past 4/5 years of lifting, I have not once tried to cut down and loose bodyfat. Hopefully cutting down for a while like suggested before my next cycle will help.

As far as pct goes, if my boys start to come back up during cruise with the hcg, i'll then try and decide if i can actually come off. i've got 15,000iu of hcg, plenty of clomid and some extra aromasin, so as far as having proper pct on hand, that is not a problem.

thanks.

 

[J.thom]

If you're not growing you need to eat more. You're 21 and you already ran a few cycles? Try coming off for a while and see what happens. Best of luck to you

 

[Digitalash]

thanks for the replies. taking in all feedback. As of now, i think i'm leaning towards 2-3 month cruise @ 200mg/wk which i will be starting next week along with 10iu humR pw & 500iu HCG 2x/pw, possibly more if im not noticing any size change.

i will also take advice on trying to lean down and get shredded. In the past 4/5 years of lifting, I have not once tried to cut down and loose bodyfat. Hopefully cutting down for a while like suggested before my next cycle will help.

As far as pct goes, if my boys start to come back up during cruise with the hcg, i'll then try and decide if i can actually come off. i've got 15,000iu of hcg, plenty of clomid and some extra aromasin, so as far as having proper pct on hand, that is not a problem.

thanks.

Slin might not be the best idea at your age either, just sayin

 

[stfuandliftbtch]

Slin might not be the best idea at your age either, just sayin

yea i know...already ran it a few times though. on and off a little bit.

 

[heavyiron]

At your age I honestly think you can recover no problem.

 

[Eiserner Hahn]

how did you like dbol

 

[Glycomann]

I turn 21 in february and have ran 5 cycles. cycle 3-4 was a cruise of 10mg/dbol. cycle 4-5 was cruise @ 300mg test/wk. Getting opinions on what to do in-between cycles 5&6. I'd run GH for at least 90 days(I hear that is around minimum). I have not done much research on GH yet, but will do my homework when i decide it is time to give it a go. I do not think i can go longer than 8 weeks without AAS unless i notice significant gains with the GH+slin. HGH is extremely expensive so i have to spend my money wisely on the HG. I'm only working part time right now, but should have my NSCA-cert. by the end of this month. Looking forward to making some real money so i can afford all of this stuff.


P.S. keep in mind my most important factor for me is gaining muscle>health. Turning pro is my goal and 6 months with no AAS seems like it would set me back quite a bit. I do know there are many more experienced aas users on this forum that most likely have have some sort of good input.


Thanks for your help. Input is greatly appreciated!

One thing to keep in mind is you will get back all of your current gains within 8 weeks of beiong on again so losses are really temporary. The next important ralization is that there are 3 8s in recovery. The first 8 weeks sucks balls. By week 3-4 you are crashing. PCT helps with the crash but the crash is inevitable. The second 8 weeks you start to feel better but still feel off. The third 8 weeks you start to feel like you can make nati gains again. Any time after 8 weeks you wll feel a little better and a littler better as you reaquire some of your lost AAS gains.

Get yourself 1-2 kits of hCG and do 500 iu every 2-3 days for 3 weeks before you come off complete3ly. Cycle down to 200 mg of test per week while you do this and keep a little AI in there while you do this. Come completely off the test and keep the hCG going for another week and then start 20 mg/d of Nolvadex and stop all AI treatment. Continue the Nolvadex for 5-6 weeks and then stop. Expect a little drop once you stop everything. Then 2-4 weeks after you stop the Nolvadex you should start feeling better.

The first couple months after PCT ends will be a little rough but after that you'll start feeling better. Let your body snap back. That way you will reacquire a lot of your gains and the body will reset for growth again. The next long stint you take you will peak higher instead of just staying on and staying the same while your body gets more and more stressed from the drug use. Remember these things are tools. Don't let them become you.

You WILL feel crappy for a good while when you come off. That's just fact. Learn to live with it and know it is necessary to get to the next level. Once the body is burned out from the drugs you have to recover to make the gains again or else you just end up in a vicious cycle.

 

[XYZ]

Time to Come off???

been on a few cycles for a little under a year. a total of 3 cycles, bridge between 1st and second, and a cruise between 2 and 3. it has been around 50 weeks total. My weight has been about the same between the 2nd and third cycle. i might of leaned out a little bit during the 3rd though due to switching from deca to test. I've been around 210-215lbs and haven't really been putting on any more. I feel it is either due to not eating enough calories, or my receptors are just getting burned out.

Calories have been about the same between cycle 2 & 3 because vie been trying to just put on lean muscle instead of going overboard and getting fat.
fats: 80-120g/ed
carbs: 300-550g/ed
protein: 250-380g/ed (training day or not/if i sleep in, sometimes 12+hr sleep)

roughly 4k calories a day. i make sure im getting 60-100carbs, at least 45 grams of protein and at around 10-15grams of fat a mean.

Roughly 4,000 calories a day.


My 3rd cycle is soon to end. 400mgs Tren/EW ran out after 10 weeks...finishing 800mgs test/wk until week 12 or 13. Thinking about just cruising again @ 200-300mgs test/wk(6weeks), or either coming off all AAS and maintaining gains with slin, and maybe buy some hgh(4iuED) to add to that and maybe put on a few more pounds of muscle. If i do that, i will take 8 weeks off, then hop back on.

Think i have not seen gains because calories are not over 4k?
-I am 5'8" 210lbs with unknown bodyfat.

injectables: i have not tried any other injectable aas besides test, deca and tren. would like to give Equipoise a try next

orals: only tried dbol and adrol



p.s. coming off might be hard, im feel i have become somewhat addicted.

You just answered your own question.

 

[stfuandliftbtch]

You just answered your own question.

Thanks.

Edit: same weight between cycles 3&4

 

[SloppyJ]

Coming off is going to SUCK!

 

[endurance724]

best of luck bro whatever you decide to do please let us know and if you decide to come off definatley get blood work and let us know how they went.

im sure a lot of other guys on this board are in the same situation as you, and sometimes we just need some hope lol.

 

[GreatWhiteTruth]

I'm really interested in seeing your bloodwork. Get some done an post up your results! It would be helpful.

If it was me I would take heavy's advice and cruise for 2-3 months then hit PCT.