Looking to start second cycle, thoughts?

[LoveToLiftBig]

I'm going to run my second cycle soon and was looking for something lean to run.

I'm thinking of test/tren as follows and just wanted to know does it look ok, I'll also be running some form of anti-progesterone through the last 6 weeks to prevent gyno from the tren.

Week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg eod 3 or 4 times a week (haven't decided yet)
Week 2-8 Tren Ace 75 eod 3/4 times a week

Post Cycle Therapy

Week Nolvadex Aromasin
1 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
2 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
3 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day


I'm currently at about 190lbs lean enough, training 3 years now I'll post a pic of current shape.

Thanks any help is appreciated

 

[D-Lats]

Eod means every other day. So either you do that or 3times a week theres a difference bro. Id suggest every other day with both to make life and pinning easier. So it would be mon, wed, friday, sunday, tues, thurs, sat.... Thats an eod scedule and it produces better gains with less sides with a short estr.

 

[spartan1]

Looks good to me and I would also have to agree with the true EOD protocol for the reasons stated above. Your mg's seem to be in a good range and I would not see any problems at these levels. You will want to make sure you have at least 4 or more sites to rotate Good luck and keep us posted with your results.

 

[LoveToLiftBig]

Thanks brahs, so eod is 4 times a week then?

How does PCT look?

Spartan have plenty of site injections, it doesn't really bother me where. I can do quad left & right, shoulder left & right, glute left & right & triceps left and right. My four favourite

 

[Salinger]

EOD works out at 3.5 times a week, or 7 times every two weeks...

 

[LoveToLiftBig]

EOD works out at 3.5 times a week, or 7 times every two weeks...

Ah yeah gotcha, my bad, 4 times for the first week, 3 the next, repeat.

 

[Salinger]

Exactly

 

[SloppyJ]

You can go MWF on the prop and make it okay. But the tren, I prefer it ED. Slin pins come in handy.

 

[Dath]

You can go MWF on the prop and make it okay. But the tren, I prefer it ED. Slin pins come in handy.

^^^X2
An If your gonna pin ed with the tren might as with the prop also. Your blood levels will be more consistent/stable.
My first tren cycle looks like this

Wk1-8 75-100 mgs Test p ED
Wk1-8 75 mgs Tren A ED
Wk1-8 .5 mgs Arimidex EOD
Wk1-8 .5 mgs caber x 2 a wk
Wk 1-8 500 ius hcg x 2 a wk
Wk 9-12 Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5 ED
Wk 9-12. Clomid 100/75/75/50 ED

 

[LoveToLiftBig]

You can go MWF on the prop and make it okay. But the tren, I prefer it ED. Slin pins come in handy.

MWF? I'm unaware?

And pinning everyday isn't that a big jump in dosage, remember this is my first tren cycle, I want to try take it easy for my first one, after all tren is the bad ass steroid. Why would I use slin pins for pinning gear? Just curious

 

[GarlicChicken]

MWF? I'm unaware?

And pinning everyday isn't that a big jump in dosage, remember this is my first tren cycle, I want to try take it easy for my first one, after all tren is the bad ass steroid. Why would I use slin pins for pinning gear? Just curious

Just take your weekly dose and divide it by 7...shoot that everyday. Same dosage. Slin pins are great...lot less scar tissue. Use a 28 or 29.

 

[D-Lats]

You can go MWF on the prop and make it okay. But the tren, I prefer it ED. Slin pins come in handy.

Have you been doing it that way for a long time?

 

[SloppyJ]

Have you been doing it that way for a long time?

You're going to bring that shit over here bub? Stay in anything goes and whatever sponsor you rep for the day.

 

[D-Lats]

Haha this jokers done one cycle but throughs his bs around like hes a vet! Stick around awhile kid and do some learning. People want to here experienced guys not regurgatated shit you googled.

 

[LoveToLiftBig]

^^^X2
An If your gonna pin ed with the tren might as with the prop also. Your blood levels will be more consistent/stable.
My first tren cycle looks like this

Wk1-8 75-100 mgs Test p ED
Wk1-8 75 mgs Tren A ED
Wk1-8 .5 mgs Arimidex EOD
Wk1-8 .5 mgs caber x 2 a wk
Wk 1-8 500 ius hcg x 2 a wk
Wk 9-12 Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5 ED
Wk 9-12. Clomid 100/75/75/50 ED

Just curious as to why you were running the arimidex throughout the cycle? Are you gyno prone to test or what? I'm gonna run the caber twice a week though as stated above.

 

[Digitalash]

Just curious as to why you were running the arimidex throughout the cycle? Are you gyno prone to test or what? I'm gonna run the caber twice a week though as stated above.

Using an AI throughout is pretty standard, I definitely wouldn't reccomend running anything without it

 

[LoveToLiftBig]

Using an AI throughout is pretty standard, I definitely wouldn't reccomend running anything without it

So Aromasin or Arimidex, it doesn't really matter then? Once theres an AI ran throughout the entire cycle as standard procedure.

Thank you all for your replys, I have to say much better help than other forums.

 

[Dath]

So Aromasin or Arimidex, it doesn't really matter then? Once theres an AI ran throughout the entire cycle as standard procedure.

Thank you all for your replys, I have to say much better help than other forums.

Aromasin is better suited during pct as it "suicide" on e2 levels (estrogen) shuts it Down. During cycle you need estrogen to build muscle so IMO since adex isnt so hard on estrogen it's better suited for controlling it during this time.

 

[LoveToLiftBig]

Aromasin is better suited during pct as it "suicide" on e2 levels (estrogen) shuts it Down. During cycle you need estrogen to build muscle so IMO since adex isnt so hard on estrogen it's better suited for controlling it during this time.

Gotcha brah, so aromasin for pct and arimidex for on cycle?

 

[Dath]

Gotcha brah, so aromasin for pct and arimidex for on cycle?

IMO yes bro
Adex .5 mg ed on cycle
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5/ Ed pct
With clomid 100/75/75/50

Added-meant eod with adex

 

[Roaddkingg]

I totally agree with Dath on the PCT it looks good and is pretty standard.
One other reason to use arimadex ON cycle is it can be taken EOD because of the half life.
Where aromasin has to be taken daily because of a shorter half life.
Also as was pointed out aromasin is much better for PCT.
Besides that aromasin pharm grade is more expensive than adex. Thats another reason I limit it to PCT.

 

[SloppyJ]

Haha this jokers done one cycle but throughs his bs around like hes a vet! Stick around awhile kid and do some learning. People want to here experienced guys not regurgatated shit you googled.

So you're saying tren isn't better ran ED? I'll be the bigger man here. Since we all know you can't handle that responsibility.

 

[malfeasance]

Tren for a second cycle? Why?

 

[GMO]

Tren for a second cycle? Why?

^^^I'm with you on this one.


In terms of pinning Tren A ED, you will get more stable blood levels and less sides than pinning eod. I have done it both ways several times.

 

[spartan1]

Thanks brahs, so eod is 4 times a week then?

How does PCT look?

Spartan have plenty of site injections, it doesn't really bother me where. I can do quad left & right, shoulder left & right, glute left & right & triceps left and right. My four favourite

It actually comes out to 3.5 times per wk 7 divided by 2.

That's cool that you have all those sites to work with I have done all of them but have never tried the triceps.... what type of pin do you use on the triceps?

 

[LoveToLiftBig]

I use the same pin for all them it's either a 23 or 25, I'll let you know when I'm home. Triceps = pretty much painless.

 

[LoveToLiftBig]

It's a 23 gauge pin I use for all body parts. If you feel its too big, don't stick it in as much then. Anyway I'm gonna stick with the pinning eod as it's just going to make it really difficult to get exact dosages if I do it every day as I'm running test at 400mg per week and tren at 300mg per week. Diving them makes shit complicated so I'm gonna stick with eod.

 

[LoveToLiftBig]

I actually have two more questions. One being how long after my last pin should I start PCT?

Second - I'm going to have 6ml tren and 8ml prop left over. Rather thank keeping it could I extend prop to say 9/10 weeks and tren to 7, I hear max tren should be ran at is 8 weeks so if I kept it at 7 I should be fine right?

I just realised that the tren I was going to purchase is dosed at 100mg per ml. Is it ok to run the tren at the same dosage as the prop or is 400mg too much for first time user?

Also are we allowed to say lab names? Not sources, lab names.

 

[GarlicChicken]

I actually have two more questions. One being how long after my last pin should I start PCT?

Second - I'm going to have 6ml tren and 8ml prop left over. Rather thank keeping it could I extend prop to say 9/10 weeks and tren to 7, I hear max tren should be ran at is 8 weeks so if I kept it at 7 I should be fine right?

I just realised that the tren I was going to purchase is dosed at 100mg per ml. Is it ok to run the tren at the same dosage as the prop or is 400mg too much for first time user?

Also are we allowed to say lab names? Not sources, lab names.

1) its debatable. With prop some start three days after last, some up to six. I personally start my clomid at four days post.

2) You can extend the prop as long as you want. The same with the tren. Of course the longer you are on the more difficult the recovery, so I keep mine to 12 weeks max. The thing with the tren is you can run it as long as you can tolerate it. Some guys can run up to 700 or so a week for months, some can't handle 300 for four weeks. That's just something you're gonna have to find out.

3) I definitely do not recommend starting at 400/week tren. Start at a max of 300 and bump up as you see fit later on. You'll always have unused gear after cycle.

 

[Dath]

I actually have two more questions. One being how long after my last pin should I start PCT?

Second - I'm going to have 6ml tren and 8ml prop left over. Rather thank keeping it could I extend prop to say 9/10 weeks and tren to 7, I hear max tren should be ran at is 8 weeks so if I kept it at 7 I should be fine right?

I just realised that the tren I was going to purchase is dosed at 100mg per ml. Is it ok to run the tren at the same dosage as the prop or is 400mg too much for first time user?

Also are we allowed to say lab names? Not sources, lab names.

Question

#1
Varies in opinion but 3-4 days after last pin start pct.
#2
If you have enough go for it and extend it out
You may find u come up a lil shorter the planned tho.
#3
Guys run tren higher then test ,guys run tren lower then test.
For the first time I'd run the test higher the ur tren bro.
#4
It's okay to say lab names