Test E/EQ/Deca (GMO, Heavy, Vets Input Please)

[JCBourne]

Multiple cycles under my belt, I decided to do something different. After my last cycle I slimmed way up (lost about 15-20 pounds) of both fat and muscle but a lot of fat, dropped from around 14-15% BF to 9-10% maybe less since I last tested, so now I'm looking to bulk back up to get back my size but this time with a lot less fat for better results. Sucked losing that size (smallest I've been in 3 years) but I hope it's all worth it. Really cleaned up my diet and cut a lot of calories to slim up the waist. Hoping to put back on 10 pounds but this time look even better then I did at 30 pounds heavier about 1.5 years ago.

Tell me what you think...

1-8 test e 500mg/wk
9-17 test e 750/wk
1-16 eq 600/wk
1-15 deca 150/wk
1-4 dbol 40-50mg ed
10-14 dbol 40-50mg ed
1-17 aromasin 25 ed
1-15 .15mg prami ed
2-16 hcg 1000iu wk

master 6-8 weeks 400mg at the end?

Deca is in there to lube up the joints. I was thinking of running higher dose of deca and not do EQ but this is where I want the vets to chip in (GMO, Heavy, Etc) please give some input.

I'm bulking, but cleanly. I want as much lean mass as possible, but will give some fat for some size again, I want it back!! This is why I'm thinking of the deca instead of the EQ.

If I did deca instead of the EQ more like : (Add more test, deca and add dbol 4 weeks at the end, drop var)

1-7 test e 600mg/wk
8-14 test e 750/wk
1-12 deca 400/wk
1-4 dbol 40-50mg ed
6-14 anavar 40-50mg ed
1-14 aromasin 25 ed
1-14 .15mg prami ed
2-14 hcg 1000iu wk

Still add in masteron e at the end (love that stuff!) for 6-8 weeks? Not sure how many weeks I should do it

 

[MrSaturatedFat]

Hey bud, I'm no vet, but I do love lurking and researching as much as possible. Heres what I think about what your doing;

Sounds like for what you want (lean gains), your 1st cycle is going to be a better pick... but I'd make a few suggestions to it.

First; I would drop the Masteron at the end, and add in your Var from your 2nd cycle. Everything I've read about Masteron says its only effective/noticeable at bf levels in the single digits, and definitely not for bulking. Its more of an androgenic than it is an anabolic. Plus, you will still be on Deca when you throw in Masteron, to me that seems counterintuitive. Save that stuff man, your already running 3 oils, just keep that diet tight. I would not even run the deca. 150mg a week seems like a waste.

Second; Are you gyno prone?? 17 weeks of ED aromasin @ 25 ED seems like overkill. Aromasin is more for PCT, as its a suicidal inhibitor. I think a better suggestion would be Adex @ .5mg EOD. It should save you money, and its more for on cycle support. Also, HCG should be continued for 2 weeks after your last test E short, as the ester is still present in your system. Ive never ran prami or researched it, so others will have to chime in.

So here is my suggested cycle for you

1-8 test e 500/wk
9-17 test e 750/wk
1-16 eq 600/wk
1-4 dbol 40-50mg ed
9-17 anavar 40-50mg ed
1-17 adex .5mg eod
2-19 hcg 1000iu wk

I think its a simpler, smarter cycle in an approach to a 'lean bulk' as you wanted. It will of course always come down to your diet. Keep it clean, and I think this cycle is more than enough to help you accomplish your goals. Good luck bro.

 

[Jt123]

That sounds like a much better cycle IMO
The deca at 150mg can improve and recover joint health so if you feel it's beneficial then I'd run it.

 

[XYZ]

Way too much gear.

It's all going to be based on your diet, nothing else.

Keep it as simple as possible.

Test, anadrol and GH is all you need. Maybe, NPP / deca but that's it.

Find your maintainence calories and add 300 to that, every two weeks add an additional 300-500. Keep up on the cardio 3-4 time a week and you'll reach your goal.

Honestly, you're making it WAY too complicated with all of those compounds in there.

 

[JCBourne]

Thanks xy,

I dont have abombs or gh and dont want to run either.

I know it comes down to diet, just adding that extra bump in there, I love dbol and run it with every cycle.

 

[GMO]

Way too much gear.

It's all going to be based on your diet, nothing else.

Keep it as simple as possible.

Test, anadrol and GH is all you need. Maybe, NPP / deca but that's it.

Find your maintainence calories and add 300 to that, every two weeks add an additional 300-500. Keep up on the cardio 3-4 time a week and you'll reach your goal.

Honestly, you're making it WAY too complicated with all of those compounds in there.

^^^This is on the money. You took the words right out of my mouth...

 

[Anabolic5150]

Way too much gear.

It's all going to be based on your diet, nothing else.

Keep it as simple as possible.

Test, anadrol and GH is all you need. Maybe, NPP / deca but that's it.

Find your maintainence calories and add 300 to that, every two weeks add an additional 300-500. Keep up on the cardio 3-4 time a week and you'll reach your goal.

Honestly, you're making it WAY too complicated with all of those compounds in there.

Bolded the most important part. Good luck with your cycle JC.

 

[TGB1987]

I agree XYZ, Anabolic, and GMO. This is more than you need. No need to complicate things. I would pick two or three compounds stick with a steady dose all the way through. If you want Bulker that is on the leaner side I would probably go with

Test at 500-750mgs
EQ at 400-600mgs
Dianabol at 30-50mgs for wks1-4
I like Aromasin or Formestane for AI

Most importantly your diet is going to dictate your cycle results. Training as well. If you eat right and train hard there is no reason why you shouldn't hit your goal with this. You don't need tons of gear to get there. Good Luck brother.

 

[justhav2p]

I agree XYZ, Anabolic, and GMO. This is more than you need. No need to complicate things. I would pick two or three compounds stick with a steady dose all the way through. If you want Bulker that is on the leaner side I would probably go with

Test at 500-750mgs
EQ at 400-600mgs
Dianabol at 30-50mgs for wks1-4
I like Aromasin or Formestane for AI

Most importantly your diet is going to dictate your cycle results. Training as well. If you eat right and train hard there is no reason why you shouldn't hit your goal with this. You don't need tons of gear to get there. Good Luck brother.

I like this advice..... I am the same as you op, cut still in cutting fat stage... I will get to 10% before I pull the trigger on my Dbol kickstart eq and test run.

Lean and massive is my new goal instead of huge and oager.

 

[ZECH]

You said you wanted to bulk back up. Test 500-750 week
and Deca at 400 per week. Agree with the others, keep it simple.

 

[VictorZ06]

Let's see those stats...




/V

 

[squigader]

Way too much gear.

It's all going to be based on your diet, nothing else.

Keep it as simple as possible.

Test, anadrol and GH is all you need. Maybe, NPP / deca but that's it.

Find your maintainence calories and add 300 to that, every two weeks add an additional 300-500. Keep up on the cardio 3-4 time a week and you'll reach your goal.

Honestly, you're making it WAY too complicated with all of those compounds in there.

I agree XYZ, Anabolic, and GMO. This is more than you need. No need to complicate things. I would pick two or three compounds stick with a steady dose all the way through. If you want Bulker that is on the leaner side I would probably go with

Test at 500-750mgs
EQ at 400-600mgs
Dianabol at 30-50mgs for wks1-4
I like Aromasin or Formestane for AI

Most importantly your diet is going to dictate your cycle results. Training as well. If you eat right and train hard there is no reason why you shouldn't hit your goal with this. You don't need tons of gear to get there. Good Luck brother.

I'm going to go with exactly what these guys said. Way too much stuff/variety in there. You'll get solid results and put on 10lbs easy with something like this.

 

[brundel]

Id throw out the deca....

Test cyp...enanth is fine
+EQ

Oral kick. If you like dbol use it. 4 weeks.

You dont need HCG until the last couple weeks of Your cycle and until you begin Clomid therapy. So like 5 weeks total. Using a long estered test means youll want to wait about 20 days to start Clomid. During this waiting period use HCG and a suicidal AI. Like TGB said Formeron or aromasin.

I would start the HCG 2 weeks before your last shot and run it until the day you begin clomid.

Run an AI from start to end of PCT.

 

[JCBourne]

Let's see those stats...




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What all you want?

6 ft, 207, 10% body fat last measured about a month ago. Since, have lost more weight. Old enough to be on gear.

Thanks for the input guys, I'm going to run the test, deca and dbol. I hope the deca lubes up my joints! Plus I'm opting for the deca because I can run a shorter cycle, decided against 16 weeks, going to do between 12-14 weeks depending on results.

 

[JCBourne]

I like this advice..... I am the same as you op, cut still in cutting fat stage... I will get to 10% before I pull the trigger on my Dbol kickstart eq and test run.

Lean and massive is my new goal instead of huge and oager.

Yeah that's how I feel, I was getting pretty decent size but at the expensive of gaining more fat then I wanted and looking bloated.

 

[XYZ]

What all you want?

6 ft, 207, 10% body fat last measured about a month ago. Since, have lost more weight. Old enough to be on gear.

Thanks for the input guys, I'm going to run the test, deca and dbol. I hope the deca lubes up my joints! Plus I'm opting for the deca because I can run a shorter cycle, decided against 16 weeks, going to do between 12-14 weeks depending on results.

You should do well with that.

 

[JCBourne]

Could I split deca up to shoot e3d? Id rather be shooting around 2.5mL then over 3 each time. Also, besides glutes, quads and vetro injection sites where can you inject 2-3mL on virgin muscles?

 

[Hell]

Could I split deca up to shoot e3d? Id rather be shooting around 2.5mL then over 3 each time. Also, besides glutes, quads and vetro injection sites where can you inject 2-3mL on virgin muscles?

Splitting deca is perfect. 3ml is no problem in glutes and quads. Ive done 3ml in delts but 2 is more comfortable.

 

[ItsMrGreen]

Usually you see people doing either Deca or EQ I havent seen anyone do it together but I have done EQ and im going to be trying Deca soon but I would probably say go with Deca, but thats just me.

 

[JCBourne]

Up about 3 pounds in a week, and a slightly smaller waist. I'd say that's a good week!

 

[Pork Chop]

I havent had any good Eq in years and years..... Just dont work like it used to. NPP over eq anyday

 

[JCBourne]

Instead of ending on dbol I'm thinking of including var in this cycle since its going so well, input?

I read most say 6-8 weeks on var, 60-80mg. Never have used so I was thinking start at 60 and going up to 80 every couple of days, what you think?

I'm currently on dbol, I'll take a break from that and the about 3-4 weeks later start the var depending on the length I plan to use.

By the time I'm on var I'll be looking to just harden up and hopefully drop some more body fat. I would add mast in as I love it but as many said this is too many compounds.

Or is this just a stupid idea and should I run dbol at the end like planned?

 

[JCBourne]

var 6-8 weeks or dbol? I'm leaning towards var as I've put on some nice pounds and from my reading var may be something fun to try out.

 

[sofargone561]

run it up the deca, im running something similar, i dont post what i run or the doses becuase people bitch to much on here about oph ur running to much blah blah blow me,

 

[JCBourne]

Sorry bro didn't understand your response, what you mean?

I'm going to run var for 8 weeks. Start at 70mg ED and go up depending on how I feel.

 

[Digitalash]

Superdrol over var IMO for your finish. Much cheaper and far more anabolic, good recomp effects and excellent hardness. It's essentially oral masteron (I know methylation changes things) and very potent shit. Check out amazon and you can still find plenty of the clones floating around for dirttt cheap. It's speculated to have diuretic properties as well but I know that I dried/leaned out almost overnight even when I've run it for short 1-2 week bursts. Also never felt as hard to the touch as I did after finishing my test/deca cycle with 4 weeks @ 20 and then 30mg ED.

I'd also stick with the test deca cycle for mass gains. never tried EQ though but deca feels wonderful for your joints and I didn't experience any sides from it, put on good solid weight with little fat even running just 300mg a week with 600mg test cyp

If you like the dbol leave it up front, you got plenty of time between your orals IMO but definitely save your cash and go with SD. The money you save put into igf-1 LR3 , run that @ 50mcg a day during the 4 weeks of your pct. If you cruise then stick it right in during your SD finish for some extra synergy. That's a pretty ballin cycle if I do say so myself

 

[WantsWidth]

all other things equal, the more juice you take the bigger you will get, that's just how it goes


good luck brother

 

[JCBourne]

Digital, already have the var so money isn't a issue. I'll be running it for 8 weeks.